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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JP_S: Quote: So what is being said is that in the highly unlikely case that SONY would loose the format-war they'd try and do anything remotely possible in their financial power to make the whole High Def format a successfull failure. Actually the same that Toshiba (I think about a year and a half to two years ago now) did when Blu-ray and HD DVD were talking about one standardised format?
I actually am starting to hope that Disney will change its policy and start releasing on either both formats, or on HD DVD exclusive so I can buy myself a HD player. That's not what's being said. What's being said is that Sony would likely continue to support the consumers that decided to support Blu-ray as long as they are not losing money (or not much money) on providing that service. You are right about your Toshiba statement. It was around 2 years ago. Toshiba wanted to screw Panasonic and Sony on the disc structure royalties...again (they did that on the DVD format). Panasonic and Sony told Toshiba the disc structure was not on the table and here we are. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: Funny, it seems you fit your own accusations a hell of a lot better than I do. Except of course that he is not arguing for HD DVD, or even against Bu Ray really...he is merely pointing what everyone in this forum has taken turns pointing out; that you are a Sony fanboy wannabe liberally weaving fact, fiction and speculation into a patchwork quilt of spurious arguments and utter speciousness. You possess absolutely no objectivity and even less credibility...were that possible. You cannot seem to grasp that we do not like agenda driven shills here and that is the only thing you come off as. We have Blu Ray supporters here and we have HD DVD, but you are the only person who seems to consistently generate such vitriolic responses....haven't you ever wondered why? Is it a personality defect? Are you genuinely incapable of understanding why the manner in which you present your arguments illicits such contempt? You are also the only person I have ever seen who used their alleged IQ to justify their position: "Buy Blu Ray because I am smarter than you." Sheesh | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 460 |
| Posted: | | | | True but it doesn't change much does it. Specs aren't everything, and even though Blu-ray might have the better specs from what I am reading they still don't have all those items implemented yet. What do we (the consumers) have to wait for, the fourth or fifth generation Blu-ray player? Well I have waited this long... Maybe I can wait a little longer.
Still I'd rather have one format. | | | Jean-Paul |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: EDIT: I must have read your post before you changed it then hit the quote button. By that time you must have already changed the original post.
Sorry, try again. There was a 15-20 minute period between my post and your quote. It's not possible for you to click the "quote" button and then changes I made later show up in your quote. They were already made when you quoted. It would have been much easier to just admit you made a mistake, but apparently you're beyond admitting minor things like that.
Anyway, doesn't matter. You're whole argument during that point was completely laid to rest.
I didn't have a chance to hit Best Buy this weekend, but I did stop by Target. Their UMD selection is no where to be found in their entire DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray section of movies. On a whim I went to the game department and checked the tiny little PSP section and sure enough there were your highly touted UMD movie selections. 3 whole movies. Casino Royale, Spider Man 2, and Ghost Rider. That was the the entire selection.
I hope to hit Best Buy this coming week and I can't wait to see the huge selection of UMD movies they have for sale; thus proving Sony will support Blu-ray for the next 10 year no matter what. Why would that NOT be the case? If one is reading another persons post right after he post it but doesn't hit the quote button until much later, the server takes the most recent version of your post (which would be the altered version). I do that quite often. I'm usually doing several things while responding to posts. So you are saying that you found the UMD movies like I said. Great! Then you proved my only point about UMD movies. Best Buy should have a hell of a lot more than 3 UMD movies. I've seen rows of UMD movies in my local Best Buys (3 near me). Fry's Electronics had the most I'd EVER seen in one place. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Funny, it seems you fit your own accusations a hell of a lot better than I do. Except of course that he is not arguing for HD DVD, or even against Bu Ray really...he is merely pointing what everyone in this forum has taken turns pointing out; that you are a Sony fanboy wannabe liberally weaving fact, fiction and speculation into a patchwork quilt of spurious arguments and utter speciousness. You possess absolutely no objectivity and even less credibility...were that possible.
You cannot seem to grasp that we do not like agenda driven shills here and that is the only thing you come off as.
We have Blu Ray supporters here and we have HD DVD, but you are the only person who seems to consistently generate such vitriolic responses....haven't you ever wondered why? Is it a personality defect? Are you genuinely incapable of understanding why the manner in which you present your arguments illicits such contempt?
You are also the only person I have ever seen who used their alleged IQ to justify their position:
"Buy Blu Ray because I am smarter than you." Sheesh I never knew "facts" COULD be weaved. I knew TRUTHS could be weaved, but not facts. How do you weave 1 + 1 = 2? What is it with you and this "credibility" thing? I guess you don't know that it can work against you or you don't care. If I have no credibility, you definitely don't have any. Why would anyone listen to you? Purely emotional responses and personal attacks in a debate about technology is suppose to give you "credibility"? That's truly interesting. What school of thought does that come from? | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JP_S: Quote: True but it doesn't change much does it. Specs aren't everything, and even though Blu-ray might have the better specs from what I am reading they still don't have all those items implemented yet. What do we (the consumers) have to wait for, the fourth or fifth generation Blu-ray player? Well I have waited this long... Maybe I can wait a little longer.
Still I'd rather have one format. I hear you. If HD DVD could produce 51GB discs at a price equal to BD50s (highly unlikely) and increase their bandwidth (very important) to match Blu-ray's without coming close to Blu-ray player prices; I wouldn't care who wins. Just don't mess with my lossless audio and high bitrate PQ. That's what I care about. That would serve everyone. The whole thing is that those additional features adds additional costs to the players. We will pay one way or the other. It will either be with compromises in audio and video quality or we'll pay with higher player costs. My point has always been that costs ALWAYS come down for these products. Boosting audio and video quality is NOT a given. It doesn't usually happen. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 460 |
| Posted: | | | | That about quoting is water under the bridge. I usually press quote and start typing on this forum, there are forums where I write a response in let say notepad and then quote, to keep up with posts so to say and include more than one reply to one item. Lets leave it at that.
I'd like to see a cut out of a movie which has been release in both formats I've seen samples that show the PQ of Blu-ray and HD DVD but there should be an actual difference between the three.
The SQ is something most people will possibly not even hear. Reffering back to the post someone else made earlier because of either their setup or just because it is very difficult to hear the difference between DTS and DTS-MA or AC3 and DD TrueHD. | | | Jean-Paul |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: I never knew "facts" COULD be weaved. I knew TRUTHS could be weaved, but not facts. How do you weave 1 + 1 = 2? Dumbest argument ever. Change the context change the meaning. With the right context 1+1=1. | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: I never knew "facts" COULD be weaved. I knew TRUTHS could be weaved, but not facts. How do you weave 1 + 1 = 2? Dumbest argument ever. Change the context change the meaning. With the right context 1+1=1. But 1+1 could very well be 10 | | | Jean-Paul |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JP_S: Quote: Quoting bob9000:
Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: I never knew "facts" COULD be weaved. I knew TRUTHS could be weaved, but not facts. How do you weave 1 + 1 = 2? Dumbest argument ever. Change the context change the meaning. With the right context 1+1=1.
But 1+1 could very well be 10 or 11 | | | Stuart |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 254 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: If HD DVD could produce 51GB discs at a price equal to BD50s (highly unlikely) Reason behind this opinion? TL51 can be produced on existing HD DVD production lines so why would it cost more than BD50? Also worth noting is the following summary from a long AVS forum thread about TL51: Quote: 1. TL51 and Hybrid disc 34/5 have been approved by the Forum. 2. Indications are that these will be backward compatible with Gen 1 and Gen 2 players 3. To reiterate there is no HD DVD hardware that these will not work with. 4. These can be produced on existing HD DVD lines 5. We can expect a TL51 title announcement next month 6. It's unknown if spinrate/bandwidth has been increased as part of this spec change 7. THOUSANDS of these discs have already been produced as part of testing
Can we stick to talking about this without any of you-know-who's vitriol? Bob9000 really got it right with his analysis, this thread would be a much better read if we could strip out all the nauseating arguments. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | My local BB does sell UMDs, though they have a smaller shelf space than either BD or HD DVD. Of course, my local BB also sells MiniDiscs, which are pretty well dead too---I'm the only person I know of who still uses them. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote: my local BB also sells MiniDiscs, which are pretty well dead too---I'm the only person I know of who still uses them. Are those commercial MDs? Or Blank? I have a huge stack of unused, unopened bank MDs (74 & 80), I used to buy them by the fistful whenever I found a good sale price. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Coming this December to a Blu-ray or HD DVD player near you... Also..... Quote: Warner Home Video has announced it will bring Martin Scorsese's Oscar-decorated 'The Aviator' to Blu-ray and HD DVD this November.
The highly-acclaimed biopic of the legendary Howard Hughes, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Cate Blanchett and Alan Alda (all Oscar nominees for their work) scored over $100 million at the domestic box office, and will hit both next-gen formats November 6.
Tech specs include 1080p video and Dolby Digital 5.1 surround audio (at 640kbps) -- sadly, no high-resolution formats will be offered.
Extras include an audio commentary by Scorsese, a History Channel special on the real Hughes, a deleted scene, still gallery and the original theatrical trailer.
Retail for both high-def versions is $28.98. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: That first part of your response is not worth addressing in detail. Of course it isn't. But that is because you made a statement you couldn't back up then tried to wiggle your way out of it. Since you couldn't do that, you have decided to ignore it in hopes nobody would notice. Quote: Your second response isn't worth a more detailed response either, but I'll do it. I have PROVED the POSSIBILITY of Sony's possible prolonged support of Blu-ray in the event that it lost the format war. The fact was that Sony is STILL supporting UMD movies. Remember, this WHOLE situation is a "what if" scenario. Keep telling yourself that. You can't prove a possibility. You can speculate or theorise, but you can't prove it because anything is possible. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: That's not what's being said. What's being said is that Sony would likely continue to support the consumers that decided to support Blu-ray as long as they are not losing money (or not much money) on providing that service. Of course it is likely. After all, there is a history of them doing this. Look at Beta and UMDs. Oh wait, they didn't continue to support Beta did they? I guess there isn't a history of them doing this. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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