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Anything to get you out of that gimp outfit. 

You are being very offensive.

Oh please.  As "offensive" as you have been?!  You didn't even know I was talking about your avatar! 

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Here's another take on the Transformers issue.  This comes from the Insiders thread over at AVS and was posted by FilmMixer.  You can see his credentials in the first post in that thread I believe, but the short version is that he's a professional re-recording mixer in Hollywood.

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Here is the [i]only]/i] major marketing token that matters for this title:

Transformers: Exclusively on HD DVD.

This is what matters to the majority of buyers out there. Regardless, I will venture to say that there will be nothing lacking in the audio department on this title., TureHD or not.

Unless you have heard the originals, or compared the master to a lossless encode to a lossy encode, all of these complaints are moot. Even if you are striving for the best absolute presentation possible.

AVS'ers get way too caught up on specs, with out any real practical experience, and that is what this thread is really for.

One of the titles that really changed my mind in the lossy vs. lossless debate was "Dreamgirls." I had heard the original masters on the mixing stage, and I can tell you that the HD DVD was pretty spectacular.

And even, as some point out, this is a "paper war backed on specs," the fact is that even if Paramount/DW was still in the BR camp, the BR release would probably only include a 640 DD track and no internet enabled features, so the spec war, IMHO, would still "favor" the HD DVD on this title alone, based on DW/Paramount's past performance.

And who knows, Paramount may even change the codec for the English track, and then you'll never know if you were or weren't missing out on anything

I tried to check out your link to the HD DVD's lair...I mean AVS...information, but they said they are adjusting to settings.  I will try back later.

Wow!  Anyone that basically says there is no difference between a lossy and lossless track no longer has credibility.  One would have to be quite ignorant to even begin to believe that steaming pile of crap.  Anyone with a Blu-ray player w/ HDMI receiver and some titles can tell you there is a definitely a difference between LOSSY and LOSSLESS.  If there are any HD DVD titles that have a lossy and lossless track on a HD DVD title (can't think of any right now), those owners with the proper equipment can tell you the same.

The fact that this person mentioned said Transformers probably would be a 640Kbps DD track if on Blu-ray (in the US) AFTER Paramount announced Blade of Glory (640Kbps on HD DVD) to have a 5.1 LPCM track for the Blu-ray version (that never got released...except the 1 copy that's on eBay) just puts the icing on the cake.

Oh well, I'm sure I will enjoy this HD DVD exclusive title on Blu-ray with a LOSSLESS track later this year (Shrek 3, too). I believe those are the only other HD DVD day & date releases from Paramount that'll sell well.  Just about all the other day & date releases (except Harry Potter, Ocean's 13, Bourne Ultimatum, Knocked Up, and Evan Almighty) will be Blu-ray exclusives.

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I could give a rat's *&% what you will be buying in the upcoming year on Blu-Ray simply because this war will be going on and on for several more years in my opinion.  I expect that by early 2008 we will see a cheap dual format player on the market and then I will look at the current releases and finally decide if I want to upgrade or wait and see for another year. 

I will tell you this though, unless I start seeing some of these studios opening up their vaults and giving us some classics on HD or Blu, I will most likely just sit back and wait.  I have over 600 DVDs now and I add more and more each week and I can continue doing this forever or at least until someone stops releasing DVDs, but any studio would be stupid to do that until they begin to see DVD sales actually even slow down vs these newer hi-def formats.

In the long run I will laugh my arse off if Hi-Def goes the way of UMD and Mini-Disc or even DVD-A or SACD and in the end the only one the BDA can blame will be themselves for not simply sticking with the standardized DVD format and upgrading from there.  Sony always has to make things difficult, and trust me, they have been doing this crap long before your hated Microsoft even became a name for themselves!!!

Thank you for your opinion. 

Let's travel down the road of mutually assured destruction.  With a BD player I will still receive support from Sony Pictures (probably MGM and Fox as well) for Blu-ray movies like UMD is receiving now.  In fact, partly due to the continued support of UMDs, it is making a comeback in sales for catalog titles.  Blu-ray is the safest bet all the way 'round for HD discs whether HD optical dies or not.

If I had a PSP I would probably be buying UMD movies right now too. But only because places like Future Shop are selling what little remains of their stock at 2 movies for $5.  Actually now that I think of it, Future Shop is the only place other than The Sony Store that I have seen UMD movies for sale in a long time. Sure seems like a dead format to me. I suspect Blu Ray will have a longer shelf life....

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With a BD player I will still receive support from Sony Pictures (probably MGM and Fox as well) for Blu-ray movies like UMD is receiving now.  In fact, partly due to the continued support of UMDs, it is making a comeback in sales for catalog titles.  Blu-ray is the safest bet all the way 'round for HD discs whether HD optical dies or not.

You get increasingly desperate with each and every post. Trying to claim that BD is the safest bet because of some Sony releases if both formats die? WHY WOULD ANYONE BE HAPPY TO HAVE INVESTED IN A DEAD FORMAT?

Sony did so much to support Beta releases after the public chose VHS... 

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enjoy watching your precious and dwindling collection of UMD's in the underground bunker as you scream at your Sony Generals to win the war!! 

more on the new LG hybrid Blu-ray and HD DVD player:

http://www.cepro.com/article/lg_electronics_launches_second_generation_dual_format_high_definition_disc/K346



09.05.2007 — PRESS RELEASE

DENVER, Sept. 5, 2007 – LG Electronics, the first company to introduce a dual-format high-definition disc player, today unveiled its second-generation LG Super Blu Player (model BH200). Sporting both formats’ logos, LG’s new high-def player is capable of Blu-ray disc and HD DVD playback with advanced BD-Java and HDi interactivity, enabling consumers to choose from the widest variety of high-def content regardless of disc format.

On display for the first time at the Custom Electronic Design and Installation Association (CEDIA) EXPO 2007 (booth #720), LG’s Super Blu Player will be available to U.S. consumers and custom installers in mid-October at a suggested retail price of $999.

The BH200 further strengthens LG’s position as an innovator. Seven months ago, LG was the first to launch a dual-format high-def disc player, the award-winning BH100. That technological breakthrough has been widely recognized as a groundbreaking product with industry accolades including CNN’s Best of CES, CNET’s CES 2007 Best in Show and Home Video categories and Popular Mechanics’ CES Editor’s Choice Award.

“LG introduced the world’s first high-definition dual-format player to focus on consumer needs and to end the confusion caused by the current format war,” said Allan Jason, vice president of consumer electronics marketing at LG Electronics USA, Inc. “The launch of BH200 reinforces our leadership position and offers consumers and custom installers a best-in-class next-generation high-definition media player.”

Mark Horak, executive vice president for Warner Home Video, the only major studio supporting both the HD DVD and Blu-ray disc formats, said, “The availability of movie titles on competing high-def disc formats is a challenge for both retailers and consumers. The introduction of the second-generation LG Super Blu Player addresses this challenge by fully enabling both high-def formats on one convenient player, encouraging the adoption of next-generation disc technology and growing the market.”

One Player, Latest Technology
The Super Blu Player offers increased HDTV entertainment choices, because it can play 50 to 60 percent more high-def movie titles than either single-format player. With full networked interactivity available from selected HD DVDs, and the capability to handle networked “BD-Live” interactivity in forthcoming Blu-ray discs, it is the latest available technology that plays both disc formats.

Viewers can enjoy advanced options such as “Picture-in-Picture” available from many Blu-ray discs as well as HDi web-connected interactivity available from many HD DVDs. Access to these features enables viewing of storyboards, production videos and director’s commentary as the movie is playing, as well as accessing up-to-date information. The Super Blu Player also accepts additional entertainment content via a network connection, making for an unmatched entertainment experience.

In addition to supporting the latest high-def disc technologies, the Super Blu Player is the ideal match for movie enthusiasts and even music enthusiasts as it supports audio CDs and the ability to up-scale standard DVDs to 1080p resolution.

“With its improved features and functionality, the BH200 is perfect for the custom installer in search of the next-generation player as it eliminates the need for a second player and the additional cables it requires,” said Tim Alessi, director of consumer electronics marketing at LG Electronics USA, Inc. “With full support for features available on both Blu-ray discs and HD DVDs, it serves as the flagship of the LG home video product line and complements the company’s expanded line-up of `Full HD’ 1080p flat-panel HDTVs.”

The Ultimate Movie Viewing Experience
[b]The LG Super Blu Player, which can output up to 1080p video resolution at 24-, 30- and 60-frames-per-second, supports various A/V formats, including MPEG-2, VC-1, H.264 video, MPEG1/2 audio, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital+, DTS and DTS-HD audio. The unit also includes multiple inputs/outputs such as HDMI 1.3 out, component/composite video outputs, digital optical and analog audio outputs as well as a LAN Ethernet port for network interactivity.

LG Super Blu Player customers will enjoy superior quality video output with HDMI 1.3 Deep Color output to improve color tones and achieve finer color gradations to deliver the smoothest and most brilliant video output available. The player also features QDEO advanced video processing for superior up-scaling accuracy up to 1080p, improved noise reduction and consistent color precision.
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The new Super Blu Player incorporates LG’s SimpLink connectivity solution, enabling easier control of other LG SimpLink compatible equipment. The units are connected with an HDMI cable and use the HDMI-CEC communication standard. This allows the user to control other components on-screen or directly from each component. The BH200 also is equipped with a USB Media Host for easy access to digital music and photo libraries.

Star Trek HD??

Free Phaser remote - maybe

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