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DVD vs. DiVx.  The market was VHS's by around the same margin as DVD now.  Did DVD and DiVx have to get really huge before one was killed?  Or, did DVD beat DiVx and THEN got strong enough, over time, to take VHS down? 


I already covered this.  By the time DivX was launched, VHS was already on the way out.  According to your latest article, there were already 3,000 DVD-Video titles in the U.S. and 1.4 million players in U.S. homes.  VHS was already on it's way out by the time DivX launched on October 1, 1998.

DVD did what neither HD format has done.  They convinced John Q. Public that they needed to convert to DVD.

I posted some links that are a bit more detailed than your USA Today DVD Timeline link.  I believe those 3,000 titles were not DVD-ROM (Read Only Memory) titles.  There were only 75 DVD-ROM titles by the end of 1998.  VHS wasn't on it's way out by a long shot.  Did you look at the link with the in-depth look into the history of DVD?  I think it is a page back.
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Ridley Scott joins Steven Spielberg, and Francis Ford Coppola in making sure their movies make it to Blu-ray

"A.I.", "War Of The Worlds", "Saving Private Ryan", "Indiana Jones" series, "Apocalypse Now" OR the "Godfather" series will be HD DVD exclusive it seems (if the Paramount chooses to release them in HD). 

It would seem that goes for Jaws, Jurassic Park, etc. for Universal. 


Please provide an independent confirmation to this story.  The link you provided was to a story on Blu-ray.com. 

You missed it.  pplchamp's post at 7:29p.m.  The link is there (at the bottom of the article I linked to as well).
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2. You mean the customer doesn't care about consistently have great PQ and SQ?  Well, the more bandwidth and space available...the better.


I don't think the article stated that anywhere in the text.
And for the XboX 360 goes that it is not completely based on the HD DVD player (which it initially was because Microsoft would release it with a HD DVD player but had to drop that idea just to beat SONY in releasing a new game console).
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DVD vs. DiVx.  The market was VHS's by around the same margin as DVD now.  Did DVD and DiVx have to get really huge before one was killed?  Or, did DVD beat DiVx and THEN got strong enough, over time, to take VHS down? 


I already covered this.  By the time DivX was launched, VHS was already on the way out.  According to your latest article, there were already 3,000 DVD-Video titles in the U.S. and 1.4 million players in U.S. homes.  VHS was already on it's way out by the time DivX launched on October 1, 1998.

DVD did what neither HD format has done.  They convinced John Q. Public that they needed to convert to DVD.

I posted some links that are a bit more detailed than your USA Today DVD Timeline link.  I believe those 3,000 titles were not DVD-ROM (Read Only Memory) titles.  There were only 75 DVD-ROM titles by the end of 1998.  VHS wasn't on it's way out by a long shot.  Did you look at the link with the in-depth look into the history of DVD?  I think it is a page back.


Read what I wrote.  "According to your latest article, there were already 3,000 DVD-Video titles in the U.S."  The 'your latest article' portion was a reference to the link with the in-depth look.  I guess the better question is...did you look at it and actually read it? 

The DivX 'war' was little more than a skirmis...if that...and, yes, VHS was on it's way out.  By the end of the next year there were more than 6,300 DVD-Video titles in the U.S.  As I said, that is how they conviced the average person to jump on to the DVD train.  This is something that HD, neither side, is doing.

I have asked this before, and have yet to get an answer, but how many HD titles are there at this moment?
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I just read an article on a news site here that DVD Sales are still 'rising'...
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Why?

Why did DVD replace VHS so very quickly?

My thoughts... a VHS cassette was bulky, compared to a DVD... With a DVD (like a CD) it was easy to jump from one scene to another, unlike the fast-forward/rewind of VHS... pausing a DVD was far easier on both the medium and the player than VHS... DVDs were magnet-proof... no bending, stretching, tearing, screwed up tape with a DVD (how many tapes would we lose, even with recently cleaned heads & transports on VHS?)... harder for kids to insert a sammich into the transport... superior picture, sound on DVD than VHS... more storage on DVD than VHS.

So what does HD DVD and Blu-ray offer over DVD? Superior picture & sound and greater storage.

By comparison, these new HD formats are seen by the general public as a refinement to DVD, not as a replacement. In contrast, one of the selling points of the new format is that the players will still play DVDs... there is no urgency to switch from DVD buying to HD disc buying, because the public is not yet convinced the HD is that much superior than DVD. We could see how much smaller an audiocassette was than an LP, and how much better sounding and durable a CD was to both LPs and cassettes. Switching players and media made easy-to-understand sense.

But despite the visual (and audio) superiority (and increaded storage capacity) of both HD disc formats over standard DVDs, the general public by and large do not own HDTVs, and therefore are not convinced that HD DVD and Blu-ray are much superior or even much different than standard DVDs. The formats are too similar. So DVD sales rise, rather than drop.

We see dozens upon dozens of new flicks and TV on standard DVDs being released every Tuesday. In comparision, if we see a single dozen HD DVD and Blu-ray discs released in a given week, we think this is huge.

Not enough (perceived) differences, far too few releases. Too easy to upgrade later, after the prices for both players and discs fall (too many $1 to $10 DVDs availble of reasonable stuff to watch -- I bought "Anchors Aweigh" yesterday for less than $10).
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I can't post a link since I'm on my PS3, but Transformers was just announced for DVD and HD DVD for Oct. 16.

It's a 2-Disc set with lots of content (lots of space available)...but NO LOSSLESS SOUNDTRACK!

This is EXACTLY what I meant by NOT ENOUGH BANDWIDTH.  From my previous analogy...they probably couldn't fit the 18" wide people through the 16" pipe.
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2. You mean the customer doesn't care about consistently have great PQ and SQ?  Well, the more bandwidth and space available...the better.


I don't think the article stated that anywhere in the text.
And for the XboX 360 goes that it is not completely based on the HD DVD player (which it initially was because Microsoft would release it with a HD DVD player but had to drop that idea just to beat SONY in releasing a new game console).

You know that's from Battling Butler's summary of the article.

Why are people acting like this wasn't part of the plan loooong before it actually happen (the PS3 and the HD DVD add-on)?  It's just the HD DVD supporters that thought the PS3 wouldn't have much of an effect.  It's just called looking at the whole picture.

It was ALWAYS a part of the BDA's plan to have the PS3 lead the charge to putting more BD players on the market until the standalones could catch up and pass the PS3s price (and value).

The bottom line is...both sides uses different tactics.  HD DVD uses price because it doesn't have the superior specs.  Blu-ray uses th PS3 to counter the beginning price difference, because Blu-ray has the superior specs...not the lower prices.
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This is EXACTLY what I meant by NOT ENOUGH BANDWIDTH.  From my previous analogy...they probably couldn't fit the 18" wide people through the 16" pipe.

You are so full of crap...please stop spamming us with your cheap propaganda and trying to pass off speculation as fact.
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This is EXACTLY what I meant by NOT ENOUGH BANDWIDTH.  From my previous analogy...they probably couldn't fit the 18" wide people through the 16" pipe.

You are so full of crap...please stop spamming us with your cheap propaganda and trying to pass off speculation as fact.

Spamming...THAT must be your safety word.  Anything to get you out of that gimp outfit. 

HD DVD's bandwidth limit is VERY real and VERY well documented (if you read technical documents).  Therefore, that is a fact.  Whether or not it is the reason for Transformers NOT having a LOSSLESS track IS speculation.  However, it is VERY likely.

No matter.  The Blu-ray version of Transformers, from Fox (in Japan), will almost definitely have a LOSSLESS track!  Very few Fox titles have lossy soundtracks. 
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Anything to get you out of that gimp outfit. 

You are being very offensive.
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HD DVD uses price because it doesn't have the superior specs.



You have got to be kidding (but knowing you, I know you aren't). 
Where in warped world or A_S did you pull this one from? Another one of your "f f f f f a c t s" ?
       
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Here's another take on the Transformers issue.  This comes from the Insiders thread over at AVS and was posted by FilmMixer.  You can see his credentials in the first post in that thread I believe, but the short version is that he's a professional re-recording mixer in Hollywood.

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Here is the [i]only]/i] major marketing token that matters for this title:

Transformers: Exclusively on HD DVD.

This is what matters to the majority of buyers out there. Regardless, I will venture to say that there will be nothing lacking in the audio department on this title., TureHD or not.

Unless you have heard the originals, or compared the master to a lossless encode to a lossy encode, all of these complaints are moot. Even if you are striving for the best absolute presentation possible.

AVS'ers get way too caught up on specs, with out any real practical experience, and that is what this thread is really for.

One of the titles that really changed my mind in the lossy vs. lossless debate was "Dreamgirls." I had heard the original masters on the mixing stage, and I can tell you that the HD DVD was pretty spectacular.

And even, as some point out, this is a "paper war backed on specs," the fact is that even if Paramount/DW was still in the BR camp, the BR release would probably only include a 640 DD track and no internet enabled features, so the spec war, IMHO, would still "favor" the HD DVD on this title alone, based on DW/Paramount's past performance.

And who knows, Paramount may even change the codec for the English track, and then you'll never know if you were or weren't missing out on anything
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So what does HD DVD and Blu-ray offer over DVD? Superior picture & sound and greater storage.


There are so many movies being 'dumped' New movies available for around E7.50 which indeed is almost nothing.

I think the most important, imho, is superior pic&sound I don't really care about the rest.
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Ooh come on... who cares about Transformers comming to HD DVD and not to Blu-ray. In all fairness it should not be released... The only eye candy was the badly (well not so well) acting Megan Fox

So the director is afraid not getting a filming contract for a specific studio and therefor changing his opinion.
It is the same with studios being paid to support a specific platform.

So I am rooting for the newest HD VMD format
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*Returns after a few days: wow*

Thanks for the quote, Mark, just read it myself, the "caught up on specs" part is all too true.

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Since all three are well-known and probably three of the best director's out there, they pretty much get there way as no studio wants to piss them off, or so I have read elsewhere.

Coppola gets what he wants?   The guy lost the plot ages ago sadly, arguably hasn't made a great film since the '70s.  He does still get his name on the odd film due to American Zoetrope, though.
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