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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote:
Quoting Battling Butler:
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Like I said to you before, owning both formats does not keep you from falling prey to the HD DVD Evangelism.
 
I always wonder if he is aware of how ridiculous he appears. BTW is that Mary Pickford? Lillian Gish, I believe. OT: I just snagged a photo of Mary Pickford in Little Lord Fauntleroy, signed by Pickford as a gift to Elinor Glyn (author of sleazy romances and most famous for writing IT, which would be made into a movie that made a sensation out of Clara Bow). It was interesting association and gets even weirder---apparently Pickford took Glyn along on her honeymoon! So, to go back on topic.....what will be the first HD format to present a silent film? What movie? | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Michael Bay: No Blu-ray? No Transformers 2!
By BetaNews Staff, BetaNews
August 21, 2007, 10:55 AM
Apparently miffed at Paramount's announcement yesterday that it would only offer movies in HD DVD format and not Blu-ray after testing both formats for a year, director Michael Bay says he will not make a second "Transformers" movie - which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your tastes.
"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!" Bay wrote in a forum posting on his "Shoot for the Edit" Web site. The response highlights the frustration that both directors and consumers are experiencing with competing high-definition formats. Michael Bay ain't the only director in town. There are at least a dozen others, probably more, who could do just as good a job, maybe even better -- Paul Verhoeven and Ridley Scott come immediately to mind. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
So, this turned from my original post basically stating that Mitsubishi is coming out with a Blu-ray player that will convert any 2D image to 3D...to...the demo showed 3D shot content? How? Most importantly...why? I made a comment about the Blu-ray 'fanboy' article...the one you included in your post...that used a partial quote to make it look like Mitsubishi demonstrated this player. I showed how the article was misleading because they only used a partial quote. I added the rest of the quote to show that there was no such demonstration. For some odd reason, you felt the need to try and prove me wrong. That is how you went from talking about this player to claiming that the demonstration actually happened. Quote:
Yes, the content shot was 3D (what you ended up arguing about, right). And, yes, Mitsubishi is working on a Blu-ray player scheduled for a possible early '08 release that's capable of turning any 2D image into 3D (what I was arguing about). I actually acknowledged...several times...that Mitsubishi does claim to have a Blu-ray player, in the lab, that can do this. If you had bothered to read any of my posts, you would have seen that. That being said, you are being less than honest here. If all you were arguing about was the Blu-ray player that Mitsubishi claims to have in the lab...you wouldn't have made the following statements "If people were impressed by the demo, then it obviously worked." "The Mitsubishi demo gives a 3D pop to any 2D movie," " The 2D to 3D demonstration for Blu-ray players by Mitsubishi was made up...and the tech reporters decided to make up articles describing the same made up topic? " None of those statements are about a Blu-ray player. All of those statements are about the 'imagined' 2D to 3D demonstration. I know you think everyone is stupid, but come on. After all of that do you really expect us to believe you never claimed there was a demonstration? The fact of the matter is, for some odd reason, you felt a need to discredit me. I don't know why you felt that need but, in the end, all you did was paint yourself into a corner. Now, rather than admit your error, you are trying to claim you never said what you said. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | John, The very next day Michael Bay posted a retraction of sorts. In fact the night of the blowup he said he watched 300 on HD DVD and was blown away. So the story you're talking about was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction and is old news. I'm not sure why it was ever a big deal anyway. For years film buffs have dissed Bay left and right. Now all of a sudden some want to treat him as one of film's greatest assets. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Michael Bay ain't the only director in town. There are at least a dozen others, probably more, who could do just as good a job, maybe even better -- Paul Verhoeven and Ridley Scott come immediately to mind. Michael Bay changed his tune soon after this was posted. Kevin provided the link: Quoting Erik: Quote:
*snickers*
Michael Bay Tries HD DVD, Likes It:
A day after protesting a decision by Paramount to only support HD DVD and threatening not to make a second "Transformers" movie, Michael Bay has apparently had a change of heart after seeing the format in action. He apologized in a forum post Tuesday evening for drinking the Blu-ray "kool aid."
"Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three blu-ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.
As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.
So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!
So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!
Michael Bay"
| | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
The major exclusive studio split is 5 to 2 in favor of Blu-ray. Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Disney, MGM, and Lionsgate...vs...Universal and Paramount. Some might try to argue that Lionsgate is not a major studio, but they are. I like how in your world, MGM and Lionsgate are major studios but Dreamworks, The Weinstein Company and Dimension aren't. MGM is owned by Sony, its home video is run by Fox, it make a few co-productions per year with Sony, much the same as Dreamworks are now owned by Paramount but continue to make co productions with Paramount and various studios, but you still exclude them in your FACTS™. | | | | Last edited: by stefc |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,911 |
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The major exclusive studio split is 5 to 2 in favor of Blu-ray. Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Disney, MGM, and Lionsgate...vs...Universal and Paramount. Some might try to argue that Lionsgate is not a major studio, but they are.
I like how in your world, MGM and Lionsgate are major studios but Dreamworks, The Weinstein Company and Dimension aren't. MGM is owned by Sony, its home video is run by Fox, it make a few co-productions per year with Sony, much the same as Dreamworks are now owned by Paramount but continue to make co productions with Paramount and various studios, but you still exclude them in your FACTS™. If you want to add studios left and right... Add Starz Entertainment/Anchor Bay to the BR exclusive list. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
If you want to add studios left and right... Add Starz Entertainment/Anchor Bay to the BR exclusive list. I thought we were talking about movie studios not home entertainment companies. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | for more information and photos of Lillian Gish, please visit this site:
http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos/lilliangishphoto.html |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Battling Butler: Quote:
for more information and photos of Lillian Gish, please visit this site:
http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos/lilliangishphoto.html cool, thanks | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well the ASC, using his fomidable powers of persuasion has finally convinced me to pick a side: http://www.invelos.com/dvdcollection.aspx/bob9000 Thanks for the help ASC, there is no way I would have jumped on the bandwagon this early without your 'encouragement'.  | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Don't you find it bit strange that you keep saying I have no credibility, but you have NEVER proved me wrong on my facts about Blu-ray and HD DVD. That is not the correct usage of the words by any definitions, yet, you continue to incorrectly use them. I guess you live by the ruling of manipulation...say a lie enough times and it will become truth. That's not noble at all. You seem to be a very hateful person.
You don't provide any factual evidence to oppose what I say about these formats. You almost always just attack me, personally, instead. Does that scream logic? Does that scream good character? Does that tend to show that you are correct? Of course, not, but you continue none the less. You appear to be blinded by hate and the truth will never reach you in that state.
I gave facts to dispute your claim that Mitsubishi held a 2D to 3D Blu-ray demonstration. Rather than admit you were wrong, you first tried to discredit me by making it seem like I was calling the reporters liars. When that didn't work, you tried a bit of misdirection and pointed to the title of the article...as if that had anything to do with the original issue. When I called you on that, you simply ignored it.
Does that scream logic? Does that scream good character? Does that tend to show that you are correct? Of course, not, but you continue none the less. 
Dude, you really need help. The article is still there for all to see. The title of that article (and many others about the same subject) has 4 key things in all of them...Blu-ray...Mitsubishi...3D...Demonstration (Demo).
No one needs to discredit you. The stuff you spout sometimes screams "disconnected from reality". You need to do something...call a hotline...get a doctor...click your heels 3 times...something! I'm really starting to get worried about you...honestly. Just tell me your just f'ing with me or something. I read this article, they gave a 3D demonstration of stuff filmed in 3D. They did not give a demonstration of a movie filmed in 2D, being converted by a mitsubishi hi-def player, into 3D. They did mention in the article that "supposedly" mitsubishi is going to be offering a BD player that converts 2D movies into 3D, however, that is not what the demonstration showed!!! Why is it that you are reading something completely different??? | | | | My Collection!!! |
|   | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
From DvD Times:
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment have announced the US Region A Blu-ray Disc release of Hollow Man (Director’s Cut) on 16th October 2007 priced at $28.95 SRP. In this sci-fi thriller from director Paul Verhoeven, Kevin Bacon and Elisabeth Shue play former lovers who, along with a team of other scientists like themselves, discover the secret of invisibility. Very odd that Verhoeven should/would do a Director's Cut of the film that prompted him to leave Hollywood. Oh well.  - - - Universal Unleashes 'Tremors' on HD DVD: "Universal Studios Home Video has announced it will unearth the cult classic 'Tremors' on HD DVD this November. Though only a minor hit at the box office during its initial 1990 theatrical run, 'Tremors' has since gone on to spawn a cottage industry of direct-to-video sequels, and the original remains one of the most beloved sleepers of its era. Universal will bow the film on HD DVD on November 20, presenting the film in 1080p/VC-1 video and offering both Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 surround tracks. Extras include two making-of featurettes, outtakes, profiles of the cast, and theatrical trailers."  | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote:
Well the ASC, using his fomidable powers of persuasion has finally convinced me to pick a side:
http://www.invelos.com/dvdcollection.aspx/bob9000
Thanks for the help ASC, there is no way I would have jumped on the bandwagon this early without your 'encouragement'.  classic. So what player did you go for? |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | The car analogy, how quaint. The real serious argument you are forgetting to understand here is that everyone is already driving around in a comfortable, somewhat sporty, reliable car (DVD).
Now these new cars come along, as new cars do almost every year, and they tempt the consumer to upgrade, but he is comfortable and enjoys his current ride which more than suits his needs and tastes. A few enthusiasts jump on the new car bandwagon, the early adapters who just have to have everything new and shiny. These early adapters however are not trend setters, they are impulse buyers and fringe consumers who always look for something new and better, they are tech saavy, the trend setters are the average Joe Consumer, and to impress him you need to convince him that the percieved value justifies the immense cost or else he will wait until the price comes down!!! Afterall a new car is a big purchasing option (changing your home theater is no cheap affair either).
Another factor here is that every great title that comes out on Hi-Def format, Joe can still purchase on DVD, and the options for titles on DVD far outweigh the Hi-Def formats combined!!!
Honestly...who says either format will ever win this war???
Now for the record I am all for improved PQ and AQ, but I am not blindly jumping at all the proganda from either side because I can see how the format war is self-serving to the studios and the electronics manufacturers. I find the entire fiasco to be disrespectful to the consumers. Granted each side feels they are right and justified for choosing their stance, but somehow they are completely forgetting about the average Joe consumer here, heck they are even using him in this war.
The smart money is for consumers to wait it out, make the studios and the electronic giants sweat out the fact that the consumers aren't buying into this cowpie, until they have no choice but to lower the prices to the point that consumers would then be stupid not to jump at Hi-Def, then and only then will this war get settled when everyone (not the lowly 5% of the consumers who are buying Hi-Def media) starts buying into the Hi-Def media market!!! | | | | My Collection!!! |
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