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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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If no one will answer this challenge, we should all know whom argues from logic and whom does not. 

         

Does that mean you accept the challenge?

OK HERE ARE SOME FACTS THAT YOU ARE UNWILLING TO ACCEPT OR AGREE WITH BECAUSE YOU ARE A BIASED IDIOT:

1. 30GB IS ENOUGH STORAGE SPACE FOR A HI DEF MOVIE - PROOF = YOU (YES THATS YOU A_S) OWN MANY SINGLE LAYER BLU RAY DISCS. IF YOU YOURSELF WALK INTO A STORE AND BUY 25GB BLU RAY DISCS, YOU CANNOT ARGUE THAT HI DEF MOVIES DO NOT FIT ON A 30GB HD DVD.

2. H.264 (IN EITHER AVC OR VC-1 FLAVOURS) IS A MUCH BETTER CODEC THAN MPEG2, AND THE FACT THAT SO MANY BD DISCS ARE 25GB AND MPEG2 IS A HUGE NEGATIVE FOR BD CONSUMERS.

3. PCM IS A WASTE OF SPACE WHEN TRUEHD AND DTS-MA ARE LOSSLESS CODECS. AND NO PCM DOES NOT SOUND BETTER THAN TRUEHD.

4. 24-BIT AUDIO IS NOT A FACTOR IN HT AUDIO IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

5. IN TERMS OF TECHNICAL EXECUTION, THE HD DVD ROLLOUT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN BD'S. OVER 18 MONTHS HAS PASSED, STILL NO IME, STILL NO COMPLETED SPEC. 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, ALL ARE HUGE NEGATIVES IN TRYING TO MAKE CONSUMERS STEP UP FROM DVD TO AN HD FORMAT.

6. BD HAS A POOR EXCLUSIVE CATALOGUE. IN TERMS OF CHOICE, THE BD EXCLUSIVE STUDIOS HAVE SEVERELY DRAGGED THEIR HEELS IN RELEASING CONTENT ON THE BD PLATFORM. ON THE RED SIDE, UNIVERSAL HAS BEEN IMPRESSIVE IN BOTH THE QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF CONTENT RELEASED. ADDING PARAMOUNT AND DREAMWORKS STRENGTHENS THAT POSITION (AND NO DONT START BLATHERING ON ABOUT BRIBES, ITS HERESAY AND IRRELEVANT)

7. REGION CODING, REDUCING A CONSUMERS CHOICE OF CONTENT IS NOT A GOOD THING. AND NO YOU CAN'T ARGUE THAT HD DVD WILL BE GETTING REGION CODING UNTIL IT HAPPENS, BD HAS REGION CODING RIGHT NOW AND HAS SINCE DAY ONE. YOU CANT USE THE FACT THAT SOME DISCS ARE A,B,C EITHER. AND NO THE FACT THAT REGION CODING MAKES FOX AND DISNEY HAPPY IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE CONSUMER.

8. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT HD DVD'S LOWER MAX BITRATE HAS A NOTICEABLE EFFECT ON QUALITY.

There are 8 points that you CANNOT argue with, yet you will do and counter each and every one with some of your own drivel and a link to a biased site with some numbers on a page. The fact that you will do this each and every time you post with unfaltering consistency is why every single member of this forum sees you as a pathetic joke and not one of them takes any heed or place any weight in anything you type.

FYI: I am not an HD DVD evangelist, neither am I an HD DVD fanboy. I have games consoles that give me access to both formats, but I have not and will not buy a standalone player for either format until there is a clear winner. I do not think either format is a clear and persuasive argument to upgrade from DVD to, as neither has total studio support. If and when BD offers the same interactive experience as HD DVD and goes exclusively H.264 and dual layer, and region coding is no longer a problem (via stand alone player hacks or the BDA coming to their senses) I will not care which format wins. If one format were to vanish today in their current status to leave the other standing, I would take HD DVD over BD, as right now, its a better format.

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Oy vey...

Meanwhile, here's the results of a poll from the famous MySpace-like place Facebook (occupied by normal, non-biased people for those two - or one - people who might wonder).

Basically: HD DVD or Blu-ray?

Blu-ray: 36%
HD DVD: 64%

It goes into age and such but since it's Facebook's property I won't link up the page here, I'm sure someone here has it and can verify though, if there's any doubt...

Erik

Didn't you know...your not aloud to quote numbers to A_S he doesn't understand them unless they say BLUE RAY all the way.  

Steve

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OK HERE ARE SOME FACTS THAT YOU ARE UNWILLING TO ACCEPT OR AGREE WITH BECAUSE YOU ARE A BIASED IDIOT:

1. 30GB IS ENOUGH STORAGE SPACE FOR A HI DEF MOVIE - PROOF = YOU (YES THATS YOU A_S) OWN MANY SINGLE LAYER BLU RAY DISCS. IF YOU YOURSELF WALK INTO A STORE AND BUY 25GB BLU RAY DISCS, YOU CANNOT ARGUE THAT HI DEF MOVIES DO NOT FIT ON A 30GB HD DVD.

You are confusing opinion with facts.  If that were truth, the HD DVD camp wouldn't try to get a 45GB and/or 51GB spec ratified.  If that were true King Kong would have had a lossless soundtrack.  Show me LOTR: RotK Extended Edition with 7.1 surround sound LPCM or 20-bit TrueHD track at some point in the near future.

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2. H.264 (IN EITHER AVC OR VC-1 FLAVOURS) IS A MUCH BETTER CODEC THAN MPEG2, AND THE FACT THAT SO MANY BD DISCS ARE 25GB AND MPEG2 IS A HUGE NEGATIVE FOR BD CONSUMERS.

I never denied that H.264 was a MORE EFFICIENT codec than MPEG-2.  I just let you know that MPEG-2 can look every bit as good as H.264 with enough headroom.  That still remains true.

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3. PCM IS A WASTE OF SPACE WHEN TRUEHD AND DTS-MA ARE LOSSLESS CODECS. AND NO PCM DOES NOT SOUND BETTER THAN TRUEHD.

That is technically correct, but without altering my receiver's set-up PCM does sound better.

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4. 24-BIT AUDIO IS NOT A FACTOR IN HT AUDIO IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

"grand scheme of things"?  Explain.

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5. IN TERMS OF TECHNICAL EXECUTION, THE HD DVD ROLLOUT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN BD'S. OVER 18 MONTHS HAS PASSED, STILL NO IME, STILL NO COMPLETED SPEC. 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, ALL ARE HUGE NEGATIVES IN TRYING TO MAKE CONSUMERS STEP UP FROM DVD TO AN HD FORMAT.

HD DVD's launch was smoother than Blu-ray's.  18 months have not passed for Blu-ray (it's been 14 months).  Blu-ray has IME (PiP) on several titles already...Crank, The Descent, Dragon's Lair, etc..  Actually, the specs (1.0, 1.1, and 2.0) are basically complete (studios have them).  Just the manadatory date for implementation has not come yet.  I think people that like HD DVD think they are huge negatives because it's all they can hold on to right now (and that only for a very short period of time).

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6. BD HAS A POOR EXCLUSIVE CATALOGUE. IN TERMS OF CHOICE, THE BD EXCLUSIVE STUDIOS HAVE SEVERELY DRAGGED THEIR HEELS IN RELEASING CONTENT ON THE BD PLATFORM. ON THE RED SIDE, UNIVERSAL HAS BEEN IMPRESSIVE IN BOTH THE QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF CONTENT RELEASED. ADDING PARAMOUNT AND DREAMWORKS STRENGTHENS THAT POSITION (AND NO DONT START BLATHERING ON ABOUT BRIBES, ITS HERESAY AND IRRELEVANT)

Again, you are confusing opinion with facts.  That is some people's opinion.  A FACT is that Blu-ray has more titles available than HD DVD.  Who likes what is purely subjective.  A FACT is that Blu-ray is leading in PQ and SQ according to an average of 5 different HD reviewer sites (I provided that information here a while back...it's completely verifiable).  We should all know about Paramount/Dreamworks Animation by know.  It makes no business sense to get rid of you biggest HD money producer (around 66%) unless you are compensated for the loss in business.  You don't have to believe the news reports.  This is where common sense should take over.

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7. REGION CODING, REDUCING A CONSUMERS CHOICE OF CONTENT IS NOT A GOOD THING. AND NO YOU CAN'T ARGUE THAT HD DVD WILL BE GETTING REGION CODING UNTIL IT HAPPENS, BD HAS REGION CODING RIGHT NOW AND HAS SINCE DAY ONE. YOU CANT USE THE FACT THAT SOME DISCS ARE A,B,C EITHER. AND NO THE FACT THAT REGION CODING MAKES FOX AND DISNEY HAPPY IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE CONSUMER.

Region coding is a reality...period.  Whether you understand that or not and whether it's here now or not on your format of choice.  It doesn't help those that collect movies from other regions (myself included).  It's just something studios want the choice of doing.  Blu-ray has the option for region coding OR NOT.  ALMOST HALF of Blu-ray titles ARE REGION FREE.  Import if you want to pay the addition costs for shipping those titles.  I can choose to import Blu-ray titles if that's what I want to do.

You can't have it all your way.  It's a business relationship.  There IS give and take involved.  Releases on disc in another country may be in the theaters in the US.  They don't want to lost that additional revenue by people buying the disc instead of seeing the movie in the theater (if you would have seen it in the theater).  That's what region coding is about.  A lot more than Disney and Fox voted for it.

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8. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT HD DVD'S LOWER MAX BITRATE HAS A NOTICEABLE EFFECT ON QUALITY.

Nature's Journey should be released on both formats within a month.  Each version will be maxed out on bandwidth using VC-1 and lossless audio.  Well, the lossless audio couldn't fit on the HD DVD version.  That will be your proof...unless MS finds a way to stop the HD VD version from coming out.

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There are 8 points that you CANNOT argue with, yet you will do and counter each and every one with some of your own drivel and a link to a biased site with some numbers on a page. The fact that you will do this each and every time you post with unfaltering consistency is why every single member of this forum sees you as a pathetic joke and not one of them takes any heed or place any weight in anything you type.

I just did.  By the way are you accepting the challenge?  If so, let's get GRAYMADDER to join us as the ref.  Then we can get a real list of FACTS about each format to be accepted or rejected by graymadder (with explanation).  Sounds good?

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FYI: I am not an HD DVD evangelist, neither am I an HD DVD fanboy. I have games consoles that give me access to both formats, but I have not and will not buy a standalone player for either format until there is a clear winner. I do not think either format is a clear and persuasive argument to upgrade from DVD to, as neither has total studio support. If and when BD offers the same interactive experience as HD DVD and goes exclusively H.264 and dual layer, and region coding is no longer a problem (via stand alone player hacks or the BDA coming to their senses) I will not care which format wins. If one format were to vanish today in their current status to leave the other standing, I would take HD DVD over BD, as right now, its a better format.

Like I said to you before, owning both formats does not keep you from falling prey to the HD DVD Evangelism.

A poll in this topic with the same name as this thread has HD-DVD favored over Blu-Ray nearly three to one.

I'm just stirring the pot since I prefer Blu-Ray.

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And, that tranlates into 2:1 sales for HD DVD? 

Would you like to accept my challenge?

Uh, no thanks, and what is "tranlates" anyway?

As for your "sales figure" - meh.  Once more, with feeling:

"Besides, "hot" is not the name of the game in HD sales. A hot title might sell 2-3% of the DVD. That might make it hot in these circles but not in grand scheme things."

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It is indeed.  This format war could end at the cost of both formats.  And, Microsoft will be smiling the whole way.  They don't want a winner any time soon because it would be bad for them on the downloadable and gaming console fronts down the road.

In other words, everyone that want the best video and audio presentation for their favorite titles would lose...big.

More baseless fear-mongering. It is sad what depths he will sink to.

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Don't you find it bit strange that you keep saying I have no credibility, but you have NEVER proved me wrong on my facts about Blu-ray and HD DVD.  That is not the correct usage of the words by any definitions, yet, you continue to incorrectly use them.  I guess you live by the ruling of manipulation...say a lie enough times and it will become truth.  That's not noble at all.  You seem to be a very hateful person.

You don't provide any factual evidence to oppose what I say about these formats.  You almost always just attack me, personally, instead.  Does that scream logic?  Does that scream good character?  Does that tend to show that you are correct?  Of course, not, but you continue none the less.  You appear to be blinded by hate and the truth will never reach you in that state.

I gave facts to dispute your claim that Mitsubishi held a 2D to 3D Blu-ray demonstration.  Rather than admit you were wrong, you first tried to discredit me by making it seem like I was calling the reporters liars.  When that didn't work, you tried a bit of misdirection and pointed to the title of the article...as if that had anything to do with the original issue.  When I called you on that, you simply ignored it.

Does that scream logic?  Does that scream good character?  Does that tend to show that you are correct?  Of course, not, but you continue none the less.