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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: Quoting Randall_Lind:
Quote: Every company seems to write off HD for Blu-ray I am glad to see some one is ready to fight Sony. After all the crap Sony have done with rootkits etc. Sony should not be trusted at all cost. Don't fool yourself into thinking it was anything other than the money. Blu-ray gave Paramount twice the sales, 66% more space, and more than 30% more bandwidth. You know it was for the money. What money? Please provide proof that any money changed hands here. If you can't do that, you are just spreading rumor and inuendo. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 405 |
| Posted: | | | | A_S is the ultimate spin-doctor, I swear he sounds like a PR rep for SONY!!! | | | My Collection!!! |
| Registered: April 14, 2007 | Posts: 433 |
| Posted: | | | | Alan Bell, the CTO (Chief Technology Officer) at Paramount set down and had a Q&A with PC World about the decision to go HD DVD exclusive and the reasoning behind the decision. It's rather long so I didn't just copy and paste it into a lengthy post. ORIGINALLY POSTED AT THE AVSFORUM.COMHere is a quick bio on Alan in his previous job at Warner: "As Senior Vice President, Warner Bros. Technical Operations Alan is responsible for advanced technology and requirements development across a broad range of areas centered on the preparation, distribution and consumption of digital motion picture content and related derivatives. Dr. Bell's current areas of interest include the development of next generation HD DVD standards, digital home entertainment networks, including the technologies and issues associated with digital content rights management and copy protection. In 1995, Alan was centrally involved in the unification of the DVD format, and shortly thereafter the developments that resulted in the CSS scrambling methods for DVD. For the last eight years he has focused on the technical development and cross-industry issues involved in the development of comprehensive rights management architecture. Dr. Bell has co-Chaired the Copy Protection Technical Working Group since its inception. Dr. Bell's career has included positions at IBM Research and RCA Sarnoff Labs. In recognition of his contributions to the introduction of DVD and to the development optical storage technology in general, Dr. Bell was elected a Fellow of the IEEE in 2001 and a Fellow of the Optical Society of America in 1984. Alan received his doctoral and bachelor degrees in Physics from the Imperial College of Science and Technology, London University. " Most people consider Toshiba and Warner as the co-creators of DVD Forum but IBM also played a critical role. And Alan was the center of it. He left Warner about a year ago and became the CTO at Paramount. Needless to say, during his stay at Warner, he was fully involved in all aspects of HD DVD (was the representative to the board) and BD (due to publishing in that format). So if there is someone who knows the capabilities of both formats including manufacturing difficulties thereof, it is him. | | | Chris |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Quoting Randall_Lind:
Quote: Every company seems to write off HD for Blu-ray I am glad to see some one is ready to fight Sony. After all the crap Sony have done with rootkits etc. Sony should not be trusted at all cost. Don't fool yourself into thinking it was anything other than the money. Blu-ray gave Paramount twice the sales, 66% more space, and more than 30% more bandwidth. You know it was for the money.
What money? Please provide proof that any money changed hands here. If you can't do that, you are just spreading rumor and inuendo. What do you mean? I hope you are not asking for something crazy like receipts, photographs, bank statements, etc (basically, something impossible to provide)? Or, are you asking for a reputable organization that reported such? First of all, how many businesses draw up 18 month contracts with other businesses and no payment is involved? Anyone not completely conditioned by HD DVD should have automatically equated an 18 month contract to compensation in this case. Secondly, here is an article that lists the NY Times saying Paramount was compensated in the form of $150 million in "incentives". The original article.Here is a site that gives references. I'm sure that's not enough for you. I don't know...maybe you'll surprise me. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | It is all hearsay. The old "unidentified sources' trick. Anyone can say anything using that old gag. You should know, it is a favourite gambit of yours. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Calidain: Quote: A_S is the ultimate spin-doctor, I swear he sounds like a PR rep for SONY!!! Why? I keep asking for people to prove my facts that I provide as false. Not a soul has logically been able to do so. And for that I'm called a spin doctor? That sounds very logical to me. And, I'm most certainly not a Sony PR rep. I can't help that any company looks great when compared to MS illegal and brutish actions around the world. Blame MS for that one. Hell, just check out the Better Business Bureau rating between Toshiba, Sony and MS. Last I checked, Sony had the lowest complaint number out of the three. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote: It is all hearsay. The old "unidentified sources' trick. Anyone can say anything using that old gag. You should know, it is a favourite gambit of yours. See my paragraph that starts with "First of all". | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: What money? Please provide proof that any money changed hands here. If you can't do that, you are just spreading rumor and inuendo. What do you mean? I hope you are not asking for something crazy like receipts, photographs, bank statements, etc (basically, something impossible to provide)? Or, are you asking for a reputable organization that reported such?
First of all, how many businesses draw up 18 month contracts with other businesses and no payment is involved? Anyone not completely conditioned by HD DVD should have automatically equated an 18 month contract to compensation in this case.
Secondly, here is an article that lists the NY Times saying Paramount was compensated in the form of $150 million in "incentives".
The original article.
Here is a site that gives references.
I'm sure that's not enough for you. I don't know...maybe you'll surprise me. What would be proof? Someone going on record would be proof. I do not trust someone who will not stand behind their statements. If you need to remain 'unidentified', your credibility is ZERO. On top of that, there are journalists out there that will make stuff up and claim they got the information from "a source who asked not to be identified". It happens all the time in tabloid papers and has happened in reputable papers as well. Heck, even high profile TV journalists have done this...remember Dan Rather? If you want to believe this crap without proof go right ahead. As for me, I will wait for the facts. Btw, according to Alan Bell, executive vice president and chief technology officer for Paramount Pictures, this is not an '18 month deal'. He says, "it's an indefinite commitment." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote: Alan Bell, the CTO (Chief Technology Officer) at Paramount set down and had a Q&A with PC World about the decision to go HD DVD exclusive and the reasoning behind the decision. It's rather long so I didn't just copy and paste it into a lengthy post.
ORIGINALLY POSTED AT THE AVSFORUM.COM
Here is a quick bio on Alan in his previous job at Warner:
"As Senior Vice President, Warner Bros. Technical Operations Alan is responsible for advanced technology and requirements development across a broad range of areas centered on the preparation, distribution and consumption of digital motion picture content and related derivatives. Dr. Bell's current areas of interest include the development of next generation HD DVD standards, digital home entertainment networks, including the technologies and issues associated with digital content rights management and copy protection.
In 1995, Alan was centrally involved in the unification of the DVD format, and shortly thereafter the developments that resulted in the CSS scrambling methods for DVD. For the last eight years he has focused on the technical development and cross-industry issues involved in the development of comprehensive rights management architecture. Dr. Bell has co-Chaired the Copy Protection Technical Working Group since its inception. Dr. Bell's career has included positions at IBM Research and RCA Sarnoff Labs.
In recognition of his contributions to the introduction of DVD and to the development optical storage technology in general, Dr. Bell was elected a Fellow of the IEEE in 2001 and a Fellow of the Optical Society of America in 1984. Alan received his doctoral and bachelor degrees in Physics from the Imperial College of Science and Technology, London University. "
Most people consider Toshiba and Warner as the co-creators of DVD Forum but IBM also played a critical role. And Alan was the center of it. He left Warner about a year ago and became the CTO at Paramount. Needless to say, during his stay at Warner, he was fully involved in all aspects of HD DVD (was the representative to the board) and BD (due to publishing in that format). So if there is someone who knows the capabilities of both formats including manufacturing difficulties thereof, it is him. The following is a post from a Hollywood Insider. He predicted just about every major event in the HD format war. This is what he said about what the Paramount engineers think. For the HD DVD zealots, I know..."it doesn't mean anything". | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: For the HD DVD zealots, I know..."it doesn't mean anything". A Zealot does not have an open mind and grabs at any bit of information, real or imagined, that supports their position. I wonder who in this thread that applies to? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: What money? Please provide proof that any money changed hands here. If you can't do that, you are just spreading rumor and inuendo. What do you mean? I hope you are not asking for something crazy like receipts, photographs, bank statements, etc (basically, something impossible to provide)? Or, are you asking for a reputable organization that reported such?
First of all, how many businesses draw up 18 month contracts with other businesses and no payment is involved? Anyone not completely conditioned by HD DVD should have automatically equated an 18 month contract to compensation in this case.
Secondly, here is an article that lists the NY Times saying Paramount was compensated in the form of $150 million in "incentives".
The original article.
Here is a site that gives references.
I'm sure that's not enough for you. I don't know...maybe you'll surprise me.
What would be proof? Someone going on record would be proof. I do not trust someone who will not stand behind their statements. If you need to remain 'unidentified', your credibility is ZERO.
On top of that, there are journalists out there that will make stuff up and claim they got the information from "a source who asked not to be identified". It happens all the time in tabloid papers and has happened in reputable papers as well. Heck, even high profile TV journalists have done this...remember Dan Rather?
If you want to believe this crap without proof go right ahead. As for me, I will wait for the facts.
Btw, according to Alan Bell, executive vice president and chief technology officer for Paramount Pictures, this is not an '18 month deal'. He says, "it's an indefinite commitment." You just don't read the fine print. "At this time" were the key words. Either understanding CTO, CCO, CEO, etc talk is something you never had to learn, or you are just trying to continue the back and forth thing. If you work for a corporation, would you as an insider say that everything your CEO says about your department to be accurate? Why have people not learned to apply this in other situations? And, this one was so obvious, too. See how knowledgeable this CTO is about HD DVD. This is taken directly from the article. Quote: PCW: Do you expect capacity needs to change in the future?
Bell: A 45GB disc is under development. [Editors' note: This disc has been in development for two years.] Do you believe HD DVD is still working on that 45GB HD DVD? What did your precious A-man say about 45GB discs right here in this thread? Bell seems to be very schooled on the abilities and capabilities of Blu-ray and HD DVD. It's really a shame some people get caught with this type of crap. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | The only zealot here is of course the biggest ASC imaginable. I have said repeatedly that i have no vested interest in the winner (although CARS and other (presumably) future Pixar titles have me leaning one way, whereas the HEROES HD set has me leaning the other. My only problem is with the spinnning the the ASC does in the forum. All speculation and opinion, very little fact. The ASC just cannot seem to grasp how much he is hurting Blu Ray in this forum. Its a little sad and a lot pathetic really.
It also contantly shocks me that someone who shoots his yap off so much in the forums does so very little to improve the DB. | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,127 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
Quote: For the HD DVD zealots, I know..."it doesn't mean anything".
A Zealot does not have an open mind and grabs at any bit of information, real or imagined, that supports their position. I wonder who in this thread that applies to? You...without question...and a few others. Anyone that can't bring themselves to accept that HD DVD as a format can fit neatly within the parameters of the Blu-ray format would fit in that category. | | | To err is human... ----------- 473 Blu-ray Titles |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | *sigh* Quoting Everyone: Quote: <snip> Blah blah blah blah blah. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: You...without question...and a few others. Anyone that can't bring themselves to accept that HD DVD as a format can fit neatly within the parameters of the Blu-ray format would fit in that category. What a cyclopsian tool. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote: You just don't read the fine print. "At this time" were the key words. Either understanding CTO, CCO, CEO, etc talk is something you never had to learn, or you are just trying to continue the back and forth thing. I didn't see any fine print...did you mean 'read between the lines'? Quote: If you work for a corporation, would you as an insider say that everything your CEO says about your department to be accurate? Why have people not learned to apply this in other situations? And, this one was so obvious, too. I work for a corporation and, since my wife is the CEO, yes I believe everything she says about my department. Bet you didn't see that coming did you. That being said, I don't read anything into other people's comments. I read what they say and take it for what it is. I find it funny that you want me to read things into his comments while, at the same time, you want me to take an anonomous statement as fact. Seems like it should be the other way around to me. I guess that's the non-zealot in me. Quote: Do you believe HD DVD is still working on that 45GB HD DVD? What did your precious A-man say about 45GB discs right here in this thread? My A-man? Since when does he belong to me? Quote: It's really a shame some people get caught with this type of crap. At least he put his name to it. Whether he knows his stuff or not he was man enough to speak 'on the record'. Again, I find it funny that you want to dismiss what he says while, at the same time, want us to believe stuff that is attributed to "a source who asked not to be identified". I would think it should be the other way around...I guess that's the non-zealot in me coming out again. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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