Just fess up, you are on the SONY payroll, we all know it to be true, quit denying it!!!



SONY didn't delay the release of the PS3 so it could include HDMI 1.3 on its console.  The inclusion of HDMI 1.3 on the PS3 was due to the fact that the PS3 was in fact delayed (to iron out Blu-Ray issues)!!!  The delay made it easy for SONY to include the THEN available new HDMI format!!!

XBOX 360 came out well over a year ago, Microsoft was probably aware of the upcoming HDMI improvement but through analysis of the market and cost of delaying the XBOX 360 release, they chose not to wait I am sure.  Was it fair not to include the HDMI interconnect, that depends, I am sure those consumers who purchased the XBOX 360 upon release really could've cared less at that time.

The release of the XBOX 360 Elite does preclude the release of an HDMI add-on in the future.  As long as MS believes there is a demand for such an item, I am sure it will see the light of day!!!

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The release of the XBOX 360 Elite does preclude the release of an HDMI add-on in the future.  As long as MS believes there is a demand for such an item, I am sure it will see the light of day!!!

If you are talking about the HDMI accessory that MS said was coming last year, it's not possible on the current Xbox 360.  Read the second paragraph down.  MS leaked lies to Xbox 360 owners (myself included) knowing the whole time they couldn't even do it.  Just lie and lie to get your consumers to the next stop.  Don't worry...they'll believe us.  Then, stick them with a $480 additional price tag if they want HDMI.  They'll pay it.  It's really amazing how well they can play people.

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

It's pretty ridiculous. I did NOT end up buying any of the track packs after reconsidering the cost. I also signed the petition that you posted.    I will refuse/resist!!!!

....At least until some songs come out that i REALLY want. -lol-

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The release of the XBOX 360 Elite does preclude the release of an HDMI add-on in the future.  As long as MS believes there is a demand for such an item, I am sure it will see the light of day!!!

If you are talking about the HDMI accessory that MS said was coming last year, it's not possible on the current Xbox 360.  Read the second paragraph down.  MS leaked lies to Xbox 360 owners (myself included) knowing the whole time they couldn't even do it.  Just lie and lie to get your consumers to the next stop.  Don't worry...they'll believe us.  Then, stick them with a $480 additional price tag if they want HDMI.  They'll pay it.  It's really amazing how well they can play people.

Interesting, I read this article and I didn't see any OFFICIAL announcement from Microsoft saying that HDMI is not possible on the current XBOX 360, and I admit I know nothing about this so-called unbias web news site, so clearly they are being 100% accurate right??? 

No.  This is not official.  You won't see anything official concerning this from MS, but then again I'm sure you knew that already.  But, I can give you some info on the ANA (analog) scaler.  This will be about as close as you will get to an official announcement.

But, let's say a HDMI accessory is possible.  The fact that they haven't produced it would be even worse.  They would rather let you purchase an almost $500 console to get HDMI than let you purchase a $100 accessory.  So, either way you are looking at an unconcerning attitude towards their customer base.  That's still the old "they'll pay it" attitude.

Sony anounced they are discontinuing through 20GB version of the PS3.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/674733/Bon_Voyage_20_GB_Playstation_3.html

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Remember, HDMI 1.3 wasn't even out before the PS3 was launched.  It wasn't easy to add HDMI 1.3.  Sony had to pioneer the quality control procedures for HDMI 1.3.  That's not an quick thing.  On the other hand, HDMI 1.1 was out way before the Xbox 360 launched, but yet they did not include it.

HDMI was out for some time before the Xbox 360.  A delay, if any, should have been minimal for a product that was already established as a well implemented standard interface in HDTVs.

It's interesting that you cite only certain portions of articles. As I quoted you saying how hard it was for Sony to implement HDMI 1.3 on the PS3 and it should have been minimal for MS to include HDMI 1.2 on the 360. Well according to the article you quoted in your last post (http://thoughthead.com/?p=46)

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Why wasn’t the HDMI port included in the first place?
Timing. The Xbox 360 was finished and already in manufacturing before the HDMI spec was finalized. Never mind how much it would cost to implement extra bleeding edge technology at the last minutes. While true that HDMI was first introduced in 2002 the HDMI 1.3 spec and subsequent HDMI 1.3a spec were not finalized until 2006 meaning that until November 2006 (a whole 12 days before the Xbox 360’s launch) the state of HDMI was in flux. As for cost the scaler was essentially an off the shelf part that MS owned originally designed in their WebTV division. A complete redesign from the ground up of the scaler would have added significant cost and pushed out the already aggressive launch time line. Not to mention they would have had to implement, at latest 2005’s version of the spec (HDMI 1.2 and 1.2a) as production was already started by the time version 1.3 was released in 2006.

Considering that HD-DVD was dropped as a standard feature in the console (also due to it not being ready in time for the Xbox 360’s launch) there really wasn’t much benefit to including HDMI; HDCP was no longer required. Beside the fact that only a small portion of the game buying population own HDTVs, and that only a small portion of HDTV owners had HDMI ports, even a smaller amount of people are capable of discerning the differences between an analog signal over component or VGA versus a digital signal over HDMI when administered the Pepsi challenge. Home Theater buffs and videophiles aside most people don’t understand the fundamental differences between component and HDMI nevermind actually noticing the differences they offer in picture fidelity. That’s not even considering that any digital video system implemented in the Xbox 360 would most likely be low budget to keep costs down leading one to question: would HDMI offer any quality boost at all?

By the way that was an interesting article to read. A lot of good points.

It's funny it sounds like I am a pro 360 and anti PS3, but really I like both consoles. I enjoy debating. I have learned alot about the PS3 and the 360 just from these posts. I just believe it is best not to buy a console until after it has been out for a year. I don't want to be the final Beta testers and find all the last minute bugs. It was true for the 360, many consoles overheated. What will the PS3 have problems with?

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Remember, HDMI 1.3 wasn't even out before the PS3 was launched.  It wasn't easy to add HDMI 1.3.  Sony had to pioneer the quality control procedures for HDMI 1.3.  That's not an quick thing.  On the other hand, HDMI 1.1 was out way before the Xbox 360 launched, but yet they did not include it.

HDMI was out for some time before the Xbox 360.  A delay, if any, should have been minimal for a product that was already established as a well implemented standard interface in HDTVs.

It's interesting that you cite only certain portions of articles. As I quoted you saying how hard it was for Sony to implement HDMI 1.3 on the PS3 and it should have been minimal for MS to include HDMI 1.2 on the 360. Well according to the article you quoted in your last post (http://thoughthead.com/?p=46)

it says:

Why wasn’t the HDMI port included in the first place?
Timing. The Xbox 360 was finished and already in manufacturing before the HDMI spec was finalized. Never mind how much it would cost to implement extra bleeding edge technology at the last minutes. While true that HDMI was first introduced in 2002 the HDMI 1.3 spec and subsequent HDMI 1.3a spec were not finalized until 2006 meaning that until November 2006 (a whole 12 days before the Xbox 360’s launch) the state of HDMI was in flux. As for cost the scaler was essentially an off the shelf part that MS owned originally designed in their WebTV division. A complete redesign from the ground up of the scaler would have added significant cost and pushed out the already aggressive launch time line. Not to mention they would have had to implement, at latest 2005’s version of the spec (HDMI 1.2 and 1.2a) as production was already started by the time version 1.3 was released in 2006.

Considering that HD-DVD was dropped as a standard feature in the console (also due to it not being ready in time for the Xbox 360’s launch) there really wasn’t much benefit to including HDMI; HDCP was no longer required. Beside the fact that only a small portion of the game buying population own HDTVs, and that only a small portion of HDTV owners had HDMI ports, even a smaller amount of people are capable of discerning the differences between an analog signal over component or VGA versus a digital signal over HDMI when administered the Pepsi challenge. Home Theater buffs and videophiles aside most people don’t understand the fundamental differences between component and HDMI nevermind actually noticing the differences they offer in picture fidelity. That’s not even considering that any digital video system implemented in the Xbox 360 would most likely be low budget to keep costs down leading one to question: would HDMI offer any quality boost at all?

By the way that was an interesting article to read. A lot of good points.

It's funny it sounds like I am a pro 360 and anti PS3, but really I like both consoles. I enjoy debating. I have learned alot about the PS3 and the 360 just from these posts. I just believe it is best not to buy a console until after it has been out for a year. I don't want to be the final Beta testers and find all the last minute bugs. It was true for the 360, many consoles overheated. What will the PS3 have problems with?

Actually, I said HDMI 1.1, which my statement still holds true.  HDMI 1.2 would have been hard for them to implement, but as the article said HDMI spec was introduced in 2002.  MS seems to have no real excuse for not including it.

As far as the HDMI 1.3 benefits, I put that in an earlier post at the bottom of page 6.