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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
You're right about one thing, and that is that BD is rarely used to it's full capacity. Which is why it's such a waste currently, especially since they're asking us to pay more for it. Nice spin. Blu-ray are not more expensive than HD DVD discs. Exclusive Blu-ray movies on 50GB BDs use more space than 30GB. Plus they use more than the 30Mbps throughput that HD DVD allows for.  | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Battling Butler: Quote:
The BD still has less extras. Why?  That's because the Blu-ray format doesn't allow for it, of course.  The PoTC 1 and 2 only had about 25GB of extras each. That's just sad...isn't it? That's basically no extras at all. Then there are those BDs that only offer 100% HD content...just terrible. /sarcasm | | | To err is human...
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|   | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
The PoTC 1 and 2 only had about 25GB of extras each. That's just sad...isn't it? On separate discs, that is sad.  And then there are all those that have zero, or much less, extra content. Wouldn't want you to forget about those... again. Waves at 'The Patriot,' 'Wild Things,' 'The Fifth Element,' 'Hellboy,' and a truckload of others.  | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WALT DISNEY STUDIOS HOME ENTERTAINMENT
ANNOUNCES THE DISNEY BLU-RAY TITLE WAVE COMING 2008
Burbank, CA, August 17, 2007 - Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment (WDSHE) announced today more innovations in the Blu-ray format with the Studio's first ever Platinum Blu-ray release, the Studio's first BD-Live title, and full motion picture-in-picture Blu-ray bonus features.
The Studio announced the first animated Platinum coming to Blu-ray will be the timeless treasure Sleeping Beauty. Releasing Sleeping Beauty on Blu-ray marks a milestone for the format as these titles are not released until a format has been proven both technologically and in terms of consumer acceptance - and Disney's animated releases in the past have been a major catalysis for any format's growth. Pinocchio's release on VHS and Snow White's release on DVD marked major growth milestones for both of those formats. The Sleeping Beauty Blu-ray Disc release will also include a virtual castle and multi-player activities - both utilizing the BD-Live technology.
“The Platinum titles are the crown jewels of the Disney Studios and we do not take releasing them lightly on any format. The proven Blu-ray technology has allowed us to take our films to new heights, fully utilizing the larger capacity and interactive capabilities for an incredible all-new consumer experience,” commented Bob Chapek, President of Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment.
In addition, WDSHE announced the special edition release of the action-adventure blockbuster National Treasure, which will become the Studio's first BD-Live Blu-ray Disc title. In addition, the Studio will bring two of its treasured family classics to Blu-ray Disc, Disney/Pixar's Finding Nemo and The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe, both of which will feature full motion picture-in-picture bonus features.
“The strides that we've made with this format are just the tip of the iceberg and we are confident that consumers will be astounded by the level of entertainment that can only be achieved by using the maximum capacity of the Blu-ray Disc format. All of these wonderful titles will appeal to the ever growing Blu-ray market and we are extremely proud to offer these in the most pristine and robust presentations ever for Disney fans around the globe,” continued Chapek.
This exciting slate of Blu-ray Disc releases will begin with The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe in spring 2008, followed by National Treasure in summer of 2008 and culminating with Disney/Pixar's Finding Nemo and Sleeping Beauty in fall 2008. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
On separate discs, that is sad. And, how would HD DVD handle above 60GB of information on 2 discs? Quote:
And then there are all those that have zero, or much less, extra content. Wouldn't want you to forget about those... again. You mean like you might have forgotten about the same type of titles of HD DVD? Quote:
Waves at 'The Patriot,' 'Wild Things,' 'The Fifth Element,' 'Hellboy,' and a truckload of others. Hellboy has a decent amount of extras (5 different extras). What about the much less extra content on "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", "Lethal Weapon", "Lethal Weapon 2", "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation", "The Lake House", and a truck load of others? Did you forget Warner Bros produces for both sides? That is what the studios have always done and will continue to do. That is not a format issue for either side. Not having the space or bandwidth to do the entire disc (including the SD DVD single disc extras) in high-def IS a format issue. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bare-bone releases suck on both formats, period.
As for Warner and Paramount, up until now they have offered more for HD DVD owners. But this will no doubt change now that Blu-ray finally is getting their act together on finalizing their specs.
As you say, it's not a format issue. Which is why we should put this silly war to rest. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Two more posts and this topic will get 1,000 replies. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Two more posts and this topic will get 1,000 replies. 43.1% by A_S... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
Bare-bone releases suck on both formats, period.
As for Warner and Paramount, up until now they have offered more for HD DVD owners. But this will no doubt change now that Blu-ray finally is getting their act together on finalizing their specs. Paramount hasn't offered more for HD DVD owners as far as I know. They have been quite fair so far to my knowledge. It does look like Paramount will give the edge to Blu-ray by taking advantage of it's specs in the near future. Warner, on the other hand, will try to continue giving HD DVD some sort of advantage as long as they can. They do have a vested interest in HD DVD after all. Blu-ray's BD-J specs where meant to be applied in waves. That's why it was labelled as BD-J 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 (most don't know about 3.0 yet) from the beginning. Quote:
As you say, it's not a format issue. Which is why we should put this silly war to rest. No worries! Retailers, studios, and HD consumers are already starting to put this silly format war to rest. Universal just needs to go neutral for this to be over. The format war has served it's purpose for consumers. It helped to make the superior format mature a lot faster than it would've on it's own and it has help to substantially reduce player costs. HD DVD has served it's purpose well. We are well beyond where DVD was at this point in it's lifecycle. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
It helped to make the superior format mature a lot faster than it would've on it's own and it has help to substantially reduce player costs. Is that the "superior mature" format which still doesn't have proper interactivity, or a complete spec, or much content from its 3 exclusive studios, overpriced standalone players and still uses 15 year old video codecs? Doesn't seem like HD DVD has given BD much help at all! | | | | Last edited: by stefc |
| | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
And, how would HD DVD handle above 60GB of information on 2 discs? By, er, splitting it in two? Not sure what this has to do with the PotC releases using two discs... Quote:
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And then there are all those that have zero, or much less, extra content. Wouldn't want you to forget about those... again.
You mean like you might have forgotten about the same type of titles of HD DVD? I haven't, as basically all extras have been ported over on HD DVD releases, often from two different releases to get everything on there. Quote:
Hellboy has a decent amount of extras (5 different extras). Wow. Now compare those to the extras on the two DVD releases and find that very underwhelming. Quote:
What about the much less extra content on "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", "Lethal Weapon", "Lethal Weapon 2", "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation", "The Lake House", and a truck load of others? Maybe if you mention titles that actually HAD more extra content to begin with? None of these have less. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on DVD has: Gag Reel, Commentary, and Trailer. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on HD DVD has: the same. Quote:
Did you forget Warner Bros produces for both sides? That is what the studios have always done and will continue to do. Uh, no, and yes. As far as BD can "take" their releases anyhoo... | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Two more posts and this topic will get 1,000 replies.
43.1% by A_S... Ironically, he had the thousandth post. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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It helped to make the superior format mature a lot faster than it would've on it's own and it has help to substantially reduce player costs.
Is that the "superior mature" format which still doesn't have proper interactivity, or a complete spec, or much content from its 3 exclusive studios, overpriced standalone players and still uses 15 year old video codecs? Doesn't seem like HD DVD has given BD much help at all! Your quote "superior mature" is wrong. Neither format has a complete spec. What is "proper" interactivity? Java games? Customized menu systems specific to each title? Blu-ray has much content from its 3 exclusive studios and will has even more coming. The standalone players are properly prices by functionality at this time period in the format's life (see DVD players at 1 year in it's lifecycle). HD DVD low end standalones are underpriced because they have to be. Blu-ray uses ALL video and ALL audio codecs (except DD+) in it's specs. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
By, er, splitting it in two? Not sure what this has to do with the PotC releases using two discs... That's what happens when you don't read carefully. I said how would HD DVD handle ABOVE 60GB of information. Certainly, that wouldn't be on 2 HD DVD discs with only 30GB max. each. Then there's still the bandwidth issue to deal with. PoTC contains more than 60GB of information. That's what it has to do with the PoTC releases using 2 BD discs. Quote:
I haven't, as basically all extras have been ported over on HD DVD releases, often from two different releases to get everything on there. Ported from the DVD in SD. No attempt has been made to made a complete HD disc. Maybe Universal already knows they don't have the space (you know they know already) they need to do that. Quote:
Wow. Now compare those to the extras on the two DVD releases and find that very underwhelming. 5 extras are average for HD releases (unless they are really short). Quote:
Maybe if you mention titles that actually HAD more extra content to begin with? None of these have less.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on DVD has: Gag Reel, Commentary, and Trailer.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on HD DVD has: the same. They have less than many other Blu-ray titles. That was what we were talking about...the lack of extras of titles. Stay with me on this. Quote:
Uh, no, and yes. As far as BD can "take" their releases anyhoo... ??? | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Neither format has a complete spec. HD DVD spec is complete and has been since it launched. Quote:
What is "proper" interactivity? Java games? Customized menu systems specific to each title? No its in-movie experiences with advanced mode audio mixing as featured on many Universal and Warner HD DVDs. Quote:
Blu-ray has much content from its 3 exclusive studios and will has even more coming. I count 150 BD releases from Sony, Fox, Disney, Buena Vista, Miramax and Lionsgate combined. 97 HD DVD releases from Universal. How can you pretend that the BD exclusive studios have put out much content. And we aren't even getting into the relative quality of the content (but here's a hint, most of the BD studios output is total garbage) Quote:
The standalone players are properly prices by functionality at this time period in the format's life (see DVD players at 1 year in it's lifecycle). HD DVD low end standalones are underpriced because they have to be. Underpriced? How many consumers tell the salesman in the shop "What i'm not paying that kind of price! I want to pay more! How dare you underprice your goods!!" Quote:
Blu-ray uses ALL video and ALL audio codecs (except DD+) in it's specs. And like I said, IT SHOULDNT. It should use H.264 exclusively for its video, it should use PCM or TrueHD or DTS-HD MA for its audio and it should transcode that down to 640k DD and 1536 DTS for people without HDMI amps (ie me). If my 360 HD DVD can do it, so should my PS3 with BD. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Paramount hasn't offered more for HD DVD owners as far as I know. They have been quite fair so far to my knowledge. It does look like Paramount will give the edge to Blu-ray by taking advantage of it's specs in the near future. Warner, on the other hand, will try to continue giving HD DVD some sort of advantage as long as they can. They do have a vested interest in HD DVD after all.
Blu-ray's BD-J specs where meant to be applied in waves. That's why it was labelled as BD-J 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 (most don't know about 3.0 yet) from the beginning.
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As you say, it's not a format issue. Which is why we should put this silly war to rest.
No worries! Retailers, studios, and HD consumers are already starting to put this silly format war to rest. Universal just needs to go neutral for this to be over. The format war has served it's purpose for consumers. It helped to make the superior format mature a lot faster than it would've on it's own and it has help to substantially reduce player costs. HD DVD has served it's purpose well. We are well beyond where DVD was at this point in it's lifecycle. There was some issue about the sound on the early Paramount discs, where HD DVD seemed to be getting the better deal. I'm certainly not worrying. I've got my feet in both waters which means I've been able to enjoy a lot of exciting HD DVD content and will continue to do so by the look of it, until BD starts to live up to its hype. And starts to release titles that I actually want to own, at a reasonable price. The only thing that potentially worries me is that my 2nd gen BD player might not handle the new BD specs, and I'm not going to replace it so soon if that happens... Not really the sign of a mature format. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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