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Jul. 25, 2007 — by Arlen Schweiger

Samsung Unveils the Details on Its Dual Blu-ray/HD DVD Player

Samsung's BD-UP5000 Duo HD Player is due to hit shelves in Q4 of this year, with an MSRP of $1,049.

"Do you go Blu-ray or HD DVD? Perhaps you just want to throw your arms up and take ‘em both? One option you’ll be able to do that with coming soon is the BD-UP5000 Duo HD Player from Samsung."

"After showing up on the radar back in the spring, Samsung today revealed some of the specifics of its first dual-format HD optical disc player."

"One of the trendy items is support for the formats’ interactivity technologies (HDi and BD-Java), which up the ante on the traditional type of extras that come with your standard DVDs these days. The HD DVD camp certainly touts its use of an Ethernet port for such goodies, and the Duo HD Player includes one."

Here are some other technical goodies:

    * Blu-ray playback at content native HD resolution of 1080p/1080i/720p and 1080p 24Fs/ 60Fs
    * HD DVD playback at 1080p/1080i/720p
    * HQV (Hollywood Quality Video) video selectable up-conversion processing 720p/1080i/1080p
    * Stereo and 7.1-channel audio outputs
    * Coaxial and optical digital audio outputs
    * Dolby Digital Plus, DTS HD, MP3 audio decoding, Dolby TrueHD
    * HD DVD/BD-ROM/ DVD-ROM, DVD-+/R, DVD-+/RW, CD, CD-R and CD-RW
    * HDMI 1.3 digital interface (1080p/1080i/720p)
    * MPEG-2, VC-1, H.264, HD JPEG decoding
    * 12-bit/216 MhZ video D/A converter; 24-bit/192KHz audio D/A converter
    * HDMI, Component Video, S-Video and Composite video outputs
    * HDMI CEC
    * Local Storage
    * Picture-in-picture

The BD-UP5000 is due out in Q4 of this year with an MSRP of $1,049. 

Go to www.samsung.com for more.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Netflix reports first drop in subscribers

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Netflix Inc., the largest online DVD rental company, on Monday reported its first-ever quarterly drop in subscriptions and cut forecasts for subscribers, revenue and profit for the year in the face of fierce competition from Blockbuster Inc.
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Chief Financial Officer Barry McCarthy told analysts on a conference call that Wall Street estimates for fiscal 2008 earnings growth were "excessively optimistic."
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Netflix has spent the last six months fending off a rising challenge from Blockbuster, which said it will spend $170 million this year to promote its Total Access plan. That allows subscribers to swap DVDs rented online at its stores for free and has become a powerful competitor to Netflix.

Are you trying to imply that this is because Blockbuster went Blu-ray exclusive?  If so, that is beyond idiotic.  I know you will come back with some spin but, I don't see any other reason for you to include this bit of info in an 'HD DVD vs. Blu-ray' thread. 

Quoting SailorRipley:

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What kind of inane request is this??? 

A request for proof could only be an insane request if the original offering of unproven information was insane.  If one could just say anything without having to prove it every once in a while, then untrue things (lies) can be easily born.  This is standard practice the world over.  You make a claim...be willing and able to back it up with proof.  This should be known already.

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Instead of being a fun opinion piece on the good & bad aspects of both formats, this thread has degenerated into the bozo trying to force his Blu-Ray agenda into everyone's minds and people trying to stop the bozo from posting his propaganda.

As oppose to a few people trying to force their HD DVD agenda into everyone's minds, right?   

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Charts, Numbers, Links, Insults, Trick Posts ("I give you links but what I actually want you to do is go back to page whatever, click the link there and then go another 10 pages into the magazine to find the actual content I meant for you to read in the first place").

WHAT?!  Crazy.  As I posted earlier (which you obviously didn't read or didn't understand), ALL the information was on the original post.  If you wanted to question that information (which obviously people couldn't do the math or read my explanation), their was the link.  Just use the SEARCH button (I would have thought that was simple enough). 

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I'm trying to be civil but I don't know how else to put it at this point:

NO ONE CARES!

Yet, you took time out of your day to come read this stuff that "no one cares" about?  You seem to be contradicting yourself.  Maybe you are not included in that.  Are you someone?  If so, you cared enough to visit this thread and post something with no Blu-ray and HD DVD content at all.

That's like saying you are trying to stop Global Warming and you are driving an exotic car (12 miles to the gallon) and flying all over the world on a private jet.

Move along...nothing to see here.

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Not bad.  If the price drops another couple hundred dollars, they might hit a small sweet spot for new adopters.

Great, then they can capture another 1% of total home video market share. 

Call me in 10 years when one of these formats actually has some muscle. 

Heheh...those are pretty good numbers.  Here are mine.  Number of titles on DVD after the format has existed for 1 year, 7000.

How many HD titles again?  Do we even want to talk about number of disks sold?  Hey, more power to the HD formats, but they're not even a niche of a niche yet.  It's all the same to me.  Someday, one of these formats will tip the scales and then it'll be a tsunami...or not.  Could just be DVD-A/SVCD all over again.  Regardless, when something does take over, we'll all just move into that technology.

Fighting about these competing formats now is kind of like deciding who came in 12th in a race, nice to know but the only one who cares is the guy who came in 11th.  Nobody else really noticed.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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A request for proof could only be an insane request if the original offering of unproven information was insane.  If one could just say anything without having to prove it every once in a while, then untrue things (lies) can be easily born.  This is standard practice the world over.  You make a claim...be willing and able to back it up with proof.  This should be known already.

Bolds are mine.

Ok, smartsy pants.

First of all, if you would just care to read, you could find out that I never intended to type 'Insane'. Yup, big news for you, 'Inane' is a word, look it up.

Secondly, why in the world should people prove anything to you? You're just like that annoying, obnoxious kid from high school who was really good at math and started spilling out his geeky theories and screaming "Prove me wrong, prove me wrong!"

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As oppose to a few people trying to force their HD DVD agenda into everyone's minds, right?   

Again, something that you fail to see. I can't see anyone trying to push his/her HD-DVD opinion on me. On the contrary, what I see is just you and your laughable try at propaganda. You see, I reckon you failed to read my previous posts in this thread. But if you had, you would find out that I couldn't care less about which format is better. I'm not pro-HD-DVD nor pro-Blu-Ray (yes, as incredible as that may seem to you). As long as the content remains crap I'm not interested in buying either machine. People's minds are not just limited to Hollywood films, boy.

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WHAT?!  Crazy.  As I posted earlier (which you obviously didn't read or didn't understand), ALL the information was on the original post.  If you wanted to question that information (which obviously people couldn't do the math or read my explanation), their was the link.  Just use the SEARCH button (I would have thought that was simple enough). 

Why? This is stupid and unnecessary. Why not point the info in the same post you're writing? Seriously you can't be THAT lazy, especially if you want people to take you seriously. Not that you're succeeding at it, though.

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Yet, you took time out of your day to come read this stuff that "no one cares" about?  You seem to be contradicting yourself.  Maybe you are not included in that.  Are you someone?  If so, you cared enough to visit this thread and post something with no Blu-ray and HD DVD content at all.

That's like saying you are trying to stop Global Warming and you are driving an exotic car (12 miles to the gallon) and flying all over the world on a private jet.

Move along...nothing to see here.

Oh dear... Ok, slowly, try not to get distracted by the kids playing in the backyard, ok?

Go now and read the second paragraph of my post. Done? Good. Now you know that I still care to know what this community feels about both formats. I want to know their opinions, that's why I keep reading the thread, hoping someone will actually post an opinion. What I don't want, and I guess most people here feel the same, is someone trying to force his obvious bias into everybody as if it was a gospel.

So, you may be shocked to read this, but you're just attempting to preach and really, no one likes that. You don't hold the truth, you just have a fanboy bias. You have become a forum troll. A fanboy forum troll. And by the way, your analogy makes no sense within this context.

And about your numerous charts, links and numbers, nothing has changed. But you still fail to see that....

NO ONE CARES!

Quoting SailorRipley:

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Ok, smartsy pants.

First of all, if you would just care to read, you could find out that I never intended to type 'Insane'. Yup, big news for you, 'Inane' is a word, look it up.

Yes, I misread the word.  That was my mistake.  I guess we are even, now, since you didn't see or ignored the fact that all the information from the Nielsen Videoscan numbers were in the post.

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Secondly, why in the world should people prove anything to you?

Why not?  Why would anyone not want to prove themselves?  Is there something to hide...like the truth?

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You're just like that annoying, obnoxious kid from high school who was really good at math and started spilling out his geeky theories and screaming "Prove me wrong, prove me wrong!"

You mean the kid that was usually right?  The one that people like you were mad at...not because he was wrong, but just because you could?  Overly emotional people are such a pain.

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Again, something that you fail to see. I can't see anyone trying to push his/her HD-DVD opinion on me.  On the contrary, what I see is just you and your laughable try at propaganda.

You can't see it because you don't want to see it.  It was the only reason I STARTED posting about Blu-ray (NO ONE else was as far as I know back in August).  There were too many lies being spread about the format, so I stepped up.  Sometimes FACTS end up being propaganda.

If I state an opinion, I will almost always say "I think" or "IMO".  The other stuff are just the FACTS...period.  That is what some of these people don't like, because the FACTS are not in HD DVD's favor.  That's all to it.

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You see, I reckon you failed to read my previous posts in this thread. But if you had, you would find out that I couldn't care less about which format is better. I'm not pro-HD-DVD nor pro-Blu-Ray (yes, as incredible as that may seem to you).

If that's true, you will be able to say I am posting FACTS when I'm not responding to garbage posts about me (and not an intelligent defense against the FACTS I provided).

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As long as the content remains crap I'm not interested in buying either machine. People's minds are not just limited to Hollywood films, boy.

Saying the content is "crap" is your opinion...remember that.  I know my mind is FAR from limited to Hollywood films, girl.  All you had to do was look at my movie collection to know that, girl.

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Why? This is stupid and unnecessary. Why not point the info in the same post you're writing?

Uh...because I ALREADY WROTE IT IN THE POST.  Can you not see that?  Read that post again...read it...good.  Do you get it now (probably not)?  I didn't even need to post the link AT ALL.  I tell you what...try to post a link to a specific page in that magazine beyond page 2.

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Seriously you can't be THAT lazy, especially if you want people to take you seriously. Not that you're succeeding at it, though.

I don't expect people that are willing to overlook facts because of emotion to take me seriously.  It's just not in the cards for them.

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Oh dear... Ok, slowly, try not to get distracted by the kids playing in the backyard, ok?

Go now and read the second paragraph of my post. Done? Good. Now you know that I still care to know what this community feels about both formats. I want to know their opinions, that's why I keep reading the thread, hoping someone will actually post an opinion.

In case you didn't get it (I know it's hard but keep up), most of the people that post in this thread like HD DVD because it's cheaper than Blu-ray.  Also, some have made a case about how much PiP means to them.  Got it now...good.  Moving on...

I have made a number of predictions based on facts and opinion.  Almost all of them have come to be facts now.  I even made a statement (an opinion) about the retailers helping to make the choice between the two formats based on sales.  Guess what?  Look around at the retailers/studios.

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What I don't want, and I guess most people here feel the same, is someone trying to force his obvious bias into everybody as if it was a gospel.

What I don't want is people spreading lies about the formats.  Fight with the truth or don't fight at all <insert favorite Sony hate comment here>.  The only way to be unbiased is to be biased by the FACTS.

I still have issued a challenge for someone to find my links/information, on in this thread or the one from the original DVDProfiler, to be false.  I will apologize.  Until then learn to live with the truth.

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So, you may be shocked to read this, but you're just attempting to preach and really, no one likes that. You don't hold the truth, you just have a fanboy bias. You have become a forum troll. A fanboy forum troll.

Again, either point out and PROVE my links as false or just stop saying that crap.  I guess this is where you say...I don't have to prove anything, right? 

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And by the way, your analogy makes no sense within this context.

Why...because you said so?  You were talking about how the thread doesn't have the informative/opinionated posts it once had in your eyes.  Basically, talking about how it's trash now.  Then, you turn right around and add to that which you criticized.  Do you get the analogy now...within that context?

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And about your numerous charts, links and numbers, nothing has changed. But you still fail to see that....

NO ONE CARES!

Well, the HD DVD biased people and/or those very emotional people that dislike me don't care.  How 'bout I just let you know when to format war is pretty much over, ok?  That's the last prediction I've made (IMO, next year).  See there is an opinion right there for you.

Do you remember, about a month ago, I said Target (the #2 retailer) was only going to stock Blu-ray standalone players?

It's official, now.

Here's another link.