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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | I perfer the Yada Yada.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | A_S scribbled: "That's not accurate. Anything to dance around that FACT that Blu-ray exclusive studios are producing higher picture and sound quality on average than the HD DVD exclusive competition." What a load of pure C R A P !A_S continues to post pure nonsense and out right junk  |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Blah, blah, blah, blah... Feel free to use this:  |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
That's not accurate. Anything to dance around that FACT that Blu-ray exclusive studios are producing higher picture and sound quality on average than the HD DVD exclusive competition.  It's the studio, dude. Case in point: The Fifth Element. Need I say more? |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | So when is Blu-ray going to get its act together and release a proper BD-J capable machine (if and when they ever decide on the specs for one)? Anyone buying Blu-ray now is being foolish since their equipment will be out of date when (if) that happens.  | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Battling Butler: Quote:
A_S scribbled: "That's not accurate. Anything to dance around that FACT that Blu-ray exclusive studios are producing higher picture and sound quality on average than the HD DVD exclusive competition."
What a load of pure C R A P !
A_S continues to post pure nonsense and out right junk I guess to you saying it makes it so. PROVE that it's a load of crap or keep commenting on things you know nothing of. I have listed the facts in my previous posts. Do the math. | | | To err is human...
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473 Blu-ray Titles | | | | Last edited: by Ascended_Saiyan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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That's not accurate. Anything to dance around that FACT that Blu-ray exclusive studios are producing higher picture and sound quality on average than the HD DVD exclusive competition.
It's the studio, dude.
Case in point: The Fifth Element. Need I say more? Please try reading the information I provide if you want the truth. If you are not interested in the truth, then continue to carry on as you are now. Here's the info, again... Quote:
The TRUTH is that picture and sound quality has something to do with the format in particular cases. If you don't have the space on your disc format to house the amount of bits it takes to experience a 24-bit/48kHz lossless soundtrack and a "transparent to the master" video encode, THAT is the format's fault.
If you don't have the bandwidth on your format to pass through the amount of bits per second it takes to experience a 24-bit/48kHz lossless soundtrack and a "transparent to the master" video encode, THAT is the format's fault.
Everything that's not a result (or side effect) of the two situations listed above is not the format's fault. That would mean if it's NOT the format's fault...it would be the studio's fault. HD DVD has NO movies with a 24-bit lossless track. NO HD DVD movies have a 7.1 soundtrack (just another compromise less space and bandwidth affords you). It would take too much bandwidth and space from the picture encode. King Kong doesn't even have a lossless track (16-bit or otherwise). Need I say more (I'm sure I will have to). | | | To err is human...
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473 Blu-ray Titles | | | | Last edited: by Ascended_Saiyan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
So when is Blu-ray going to get its act together and release a proper BD-J capable machine (if and when they ever decide on the specs for one)? Anyone buying Blu-ray now is being foolish since their equipment will be out of date when (if) that happens. Ignorance only begets more of the same. The PS3 (90% of all BD players) is capable of handling ALL levels of BD-J (1.0, 1.1, and 2.0) via updates. ALL Blu-ray player are BD-J 1.0 capable. BD-J 1.1 is PiP (picture in picture). BD-J 2.0 is BD Live (online capabilities). The last 2 will be made mandatory Oct. 31. ALL movies and supplements will play on ALL BD players. Only PiP functions will not work on players not capable of BD-J 1.1. Anyone buying an HD DVD player, at this point, should be under psychiatric review for a few weeks. With retailers siding with Blu-ray because of their sales dominance over HD DVD, studios siding with Blu-ray because of it's extra security, and the majority of people and manufacturers siding with Blu-ray because of it's added space and bandwidth...it's the only logical choice. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah all those MPEG2 BD transfer are definitely "transparent to the master" aren't they? The phrase "transparent to the master" doesn't even make any sense? And even though HD DVD does have the ability and enough space to hold a 24-bit lossless soundtrack (seems you still don't understand that TrueHD and DTS-MA are lossless), with so few movies being mastered at 24bit/48khz and so few consumers with the hardware to be able to hear the difference between 16bit/48khz and 24bit/48khz, it is really not an issue.
Neutral studios holding back major content because BD is not a finished platform is an issue though. There is no reason that the Matrix trilogy shouldn't have been released on BD simultaneously other than lethargy and complacency in the BD camp. Seems like they believe their own PR hype about having won the HD format war.
P.S. LPCM is not a "lossless soundtrack", it is an uncompressed sound format. The word lossless implies compression. If you're going to spout this garbage all day long, you should at least figure out what the words you are typing actually mean. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Battling Butler:
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A_S scribbled: "That's not accurate. Anything to dance around that FACT that Blu-ray exclusive studios are producing higher picture and sound quality on average than the HD DVD exclusive competition."
What a load of pure C R A P !
A_S continues to post pure nonsense and out right junk
I guess to you saying it makes it so. PROVE that it's a load of crap or keep commenting on things you know nothing of.
I have listed the facts in my previous posts. Do the math. You have listed nothing but GARBAGE Unsupported numbers with no explanation, source or meaning. All you ever post is your FREAK'n BULL S**T If you are so proud of your data, why do you refuse every request to post the source and meaning of the endless spewing of numbers ? Math? What Math??? All I see from you is post after post of garbage numbers with no explanation, context, method, or substance. More than 20 people in this forum have asked you to provide an explanation for your garbage, yet you refuse to do so. Why, because it's all crap and you know it |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | SONY allegedly bribed, er, paid Blockbuster Video $700 MILLION for the no HD DVD policy.
As posted on Hi-Def Forum June 18, 2007 by Marv800
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=9804
"I just spoke with a friend of mine who owns a Blockbuster franchise in Waltham, Massachusetts. He was notified about the change this morning by the franchisor. Blockbuster Inc, told him that in order to maintain "uniform offerings that reflect the demands of the customers" he HAD TO carry Blu Ray, and was absolutely prohibited from carrying HD DVD, or risk losing his franchise rights."
"He was told that Blockbuster told him about specific premium store product placement and was also informed of forthcoming marketing collateral being provided to him by corporate. Blockbuster told him to offset some of the costs, he would be provided a stipend of somewhere between $5,000 and $20,000 depending on his store's volume."
"He was very upset about this because he feels that corporate already forces him to do too many things he doesn't want to so he called his franchise rep to object. Apparently, the franchise rep told him that Blockbuster was being paid over $700 million for this exclusive."
"Really though, this isn't so shocking, when you stop to consider how much companies like Frito Lay, Coca Cola, Sara Lee, etc pay large grocery chains for endcap product placements and exclusive contracts."
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| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 137 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ayayay... Where to begin.... Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Please try reading the information I provide if you want the truth. If you are not interested in the truth, then continue to carry on as you are now.  *shakes hands* The Truth! Praise be DA Lord, we have, now, finally, DA TRUUUUUTH!!! (Now, where's my choir?) Come on, your own personal feelings regarding this format do not count as the truth. Yeh yeh, you can copy/paste all the "facts" you want, but the truth is always in the eyes of the beholder. So, you like this Blue Ray format, good. Tell us about your cool experiences with it, but don't belittle people who actually likes HD-DVD. This is where arrogance tries to take over common sense. Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Need I say more (I'm sure I will have to). You will HAVE to? I don't see anyone here begging for this. Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Anyone buying an HD DVD player, at this point, should be under psychiatric review for a few weeks. See what I mean? And now you're getting judgmental. I mean, dude, what is the whole point of your posting after posting with "The Truth"? Do you want to convert all the infidels that don't follow your doctrine? What happens with those that don't? Will you make the psychiatric appointments for them? How about respecting other people's choices? Ah, I see, you don't even want to have a conversation here about those choices, you're only interested in posting numbers and dates and 'facts'. Well, I'm only speaking for myself but it gets boring real quick. And you see my friend, this has been the reason for which [cue Gollum's voice] nobody likes you... As for me, I'm interested about other people's experiences with both formats. What they like about it, what they don't like about it. If 500 billion people are buying Blue Ray, that doesn't mean anything to me. If you post that this machine is capable of handling [insert your favorite techno babble here], well, I'm not even interested to know until this format reaches a standard. So, join the discussion, talk about your own experiences. That means a whole lot more than just spitting numbers and saying your format rocks and the one owned by your neighbor is crap and he should be shot for it. Oh, your signature doesn't make a lot of sense either. You see, if I were to buy a ticket to get on the Titanic AFTER it has hit the iceberg, I wouldn't even get to enjoy the music. Why? Well, I'm faraway at the docks, waiting for the ship to arrive WHILE it's well... sinking. Sly, but no cigar. Now, where is my favorite Blah, blah, blah fellow?  | | | Funny, these cookies don't taste anything like Girl Scouts.
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|   | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
HD DVD has NO movies with a 24-bit lossless track. Chronos, Harsh Times, Black Christmas, Terminator 2, basically any Studio Canal release and other non-US titles with DTS-HD MA. Not sure what all the lossless TrueHD tracks come in at. - - - "Simply said, there isn't space to provide "completely lossless audio, with no compression" on most disks. Completely lossless audio for all modern films is 24-bit, 48kHz. But there isn't space for that on most disks used today. So what do studios do? They "downres" the 24-bit, 48kHz LPCM master track to 16-bit, 48kHz LPCM. It's still uncompressed audio, but it's no longer lossless compared to the master. It's lossy. TrueHD and DTS-HD MA are lossless compression codecs -- like zip files -- which are used to "zip" the 24-bit, 48kHz LPCM so it can fit on every disk. That eliminates the need to "downres" the audio to lower / lossy resolution." - - - Blu-ray's with 16-bit (L)PCM tracks? Ghost Rider, Identity, Stomp the Yard, Hellboy, Reign of Fire, Deja Vu, Brothers Grimm, Eight Below, Catch & Release, The Queen, The Holiday, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Dirty Dancing, Sky High, Flightplan, Casino Royale, Goal, Invincible, Curse of the Golden Flower, Dark Water, Volver, Daddy's Little Girls, etc. Anyway... | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
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I still don't know what the numbers mean.
and A_S will never tell you. It seems they are nothing but an average of arbitrary and subjective viewer ratings from various internet reviewers. Interesting, but basically meaningless without objective standards.
An 8th grader knows what those number mean. If you can't get something that self explanatory, all I can say is WOW.
I declare shenanigans.
The numbers are arbitrary, subjective, meaningless, and the non-identified letters above the numbers even more so.
You post idiocy, and then declare that any 8th grader understands.
Garbage.
I asked two 8th graders, neither had ever seen number like yours... meaningless without context. What is a PQ? What is SQ? What exactly is being totalled? Are these average 1-to-4 star ratings? By whom & why should we care? On what objective scale are these numbers drawn, or are they by paid reviewers who are shilling for their various formats? You refuse to explain and insult us while you continue to hold up these garbage numbers for us to oooh and ahhh at... We will not, because we can not.
Meaningless blather is all you offer us. And then you insult us when we call you on it. Obviously you are a terrible, rotten, no good version of a shill. If you cannot dazzle us with your footwork, you insult us while we heckle your lack of talent.
Either explain your numbers or quit posting with your nose-in-the-air attitude. I explained my attitude towards you and your post to you privately.
Numbers without context are completely meaningless. You post other peoples' words without credit. You pass yourself off as something you are not.
You are the biggest pain we have these days, making Skip's rants seem like a sunset-lit walk along Malibu Beach.
Explain yourself and these garbage numbers -- do not hide behind insults because you are unworthy to make them. Or stop, because your shilling is failing. Your actions are inept, and your mission has failed so the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.
I expected more from someone that has a much higher IQ than me. You do know what IQ means right (since you seem to be having lapses in memory)?
We are in a website that is about DVDs...in a thread about Blu-ray and HD DVD...and all of a sudden people don't know what PQ and SQ means? OMG!
I'm dealing with geniuses!
Well, boys and girls, PQ stands for picture quality. You know...like when reviews on DVDs are done (like the ones in your collections) they say PQ. Have you seen a DVD movie review from a major reviewer before, boys and girls?
When these DVD movies are playing, the thing you hear is called "sound". Now, based on what you learned earlier with PQ, what does the "Q" in SQ stand for? That's right boys and girls! It stands for quality. Therefore, SQ stands for "sound quality". Very good, class!
School is now out for the night.
In other news, Fox has announced 22 titles for France.
Here is a link of the news in English. ' B F D! ' | | | John
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