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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting macci65: Quote: ...Then we will have a more beautiful computer world ... More beautiful, I'd say much more restrictive. I don't need a company to hold my hand and tell me what I can and can't have and what I can and can't do. I purchased the iOS app but can't upgrade since Apple decided they didn't want me to have newer versions of the apps without forcing me to upgrade to newer hardware. NO thanks. Bring on the Android app! | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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Registered: September 26, 2007 | Posts: 488 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote: I purchased the iOS app but can't upgrade since Apple decided they didn't want me to have newer versions of the apps without forcing me to upgrade to newer hardware. NO thanks.
What are you talking about? The system requirements for an app are set by the developer and not by Apple. | | | Last edited: by SilentBob1138 |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SilentBob1138: Quote: Quoting rdodolak:
Quote: I purchased the iOS app but can't upgrade since Apple decided they didn't want me to have newer versions of the apps without forcing me to upgrade to newer hardware. NO thanks.
What are you talking about? The system requirements for an app are set by the developer and not by Apple. From what I've read Apple doesn't allow developers to develop for older iOS versions. Other developers have stated this as well. If this is actually true then yes Apple is forcing developers to not support older iOS versions. It's true Apple refuses to let users install newer iOS versions on their older hardware unless you jailbreak it. It's true that Apple tells you that a new app version is available but doesn't warn you that it's not compatible with your older iOS version. Once downloaded there is no way to get the old app version back into your iTunes (atleast from what I've found and this seems to be the cause based on other user issues I've read about). Fact is that Apple doesn't keep older versions of apps around for these older devices. I've also recently noticed that the icons for some of my apps have disappear after syncing with iTunes. Yes, the apps are still there but there is no icon displayed (just a white square) for the app. More than likely due to Apple deleting the icons from their server. Right now I'm stuck on DVD Profiler iOS 1.1.3. I've paid for the app and want the updates. Is Invelos going to give me my money back? I doubt it. |
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Registered: September 26, 2007 | Posts: 488 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
From what I've read Apple doesn't allow developers to develop for older iOS versions. Other developers have stated this as well. If this is actually true then yes Apple is forcing developers to not support older iOS versions.
I don't think that is true. The current version of Xcode only supports iOS 4.3 and higher, but I think it is still possible to use older versions of Xcode. I could be wrong, though. That said, the current version of DVDP still supports iOS 4.3 and that runs on old devices, though not all of them. But the iPhone 3Gs is still supported and that is four years old now, which is an eternity in technology. It obviously doesn't help you if you got an even older device. But you can't expect to get support forever. Apple is pretty good at supporting older devices compared to most Android manufacturers, but sooner or later an older device won't be able to run new software. |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SilentBob1138: Quote: Quoting rdodolak:
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From what I've read Apple doesn't allow developers to develop for older iOS versions. Other developers have stated this as well. If this is actually true then yes Apple is forcing developers to not support older iOS versions.
I don't think that is true. The current version of Xcode only supports iOS 4.3 and higher, but I think it is still possible to use older versions of Xcode. I could be wrong, though. That said, the current version of DVDP still supports iOS 4.3 and that runs on old devices, though not all of them. But the iPhone 3Gs is still supported and that is four years old now, which is an eternity in technology. It obviously doesn't help you if you got an even older device. But you can't expect to get support forever. Apple is pretty good at supporting older devices compared to most Android manufacturers, but sooner or later an older device won't be able to run new software. Unfortunately, I have a 2G device which works just fine but that is the problem. Apple stopped supporting iOS updates for 2G devices two years after the devices where FIRST released. That's rather generous because if someone purchased a 2G device toward the EOL then they really only got 1 years worth of IOS upgrades. And even that, the 4.2.1 release was crippled for 2G devices. That seems rather limited. 4.3.1 was release roughly 4 months after 4.2.1 was released but alas Apple won't let me install that version. I have a wide range of other computers and devices which work just fine with the latest and greatest OS. I have a 6 year old desktop, 4 year old laptop, 1 year old laptop and all work fine with Windows 7; the desktop originally came with XP. These software limitations with Apple is one of the big reasons why I chose to go with Android when I upgraded my Phones and purchased tablets. I shouldn't have to drop another $500 for a new device, especially after only 2 years, when the old ones work just fine. From what I can tell it's a limitation simply imposed by Apple. Other OS and hardware manufacturers have no problem supporting devices greater than 2 years old so why is it that Apple limits what OS you can install? This did leave a bad taste in my mouth especially after I paid for apps and can't upgrade them to the latest version. Even worst iTunes is more than willing to let you know that a newer version is available even though it's NOT compatible with your device. Even worst is that iTunes doesn't tell you that it's not compatible until it overwrites the old app version stored on your desktop. At which point your SOL unless you happen to have a backup copy of the old app. And then Apple won't even allow you to redownload the old version which is compatible with your device. | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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Registered: September 26, 2007 | Posts: 488 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote: These software limitations with Apple is one of the big reasons why I chose to go with Android when I upgraded my Phones and purchased tablets. I shouldn't have to drop another $500 for a new device, especially after only 2 years, when the old ones work just fine. From what I can tell it's a limitation simply imposed by Apple. Other OS and hardware manufacturers have no problem supporting devices greater than 2 years old so why is it that Apple limits what OS you can install?
It really depends on the device. Apple supports devices that are older than two years as well if they are still able to run the software. But they stopped supporting the first generation iPad with new iOS versions recently. And I completely understand why they did it. iOS 5 already made it run a little sluggish. And you're probably a little optimistic if you think Android devices will get longer support. The first Galaxy S stopped getting support for the newest Android version at the time when it was less than a year old. Or at least Samsung announced that. Maybe they caved due to the understandable backlash. Your best bet in the Android world is probably to buy Googles own devices if you care about really long support cycles. I guess that is enough about this topic. We're kinda derailing the thread. |
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Registered: March 17, 2007 | Posts: 853 |
| Posted: | | | | I am still waiting on an Android version. |
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Registered: November 6, 2007 | Posts: 3 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: Total MarketShare (Desktop)
Total Market Share (Desktop and Mobile OS combined)
(Data from May 2012 (Germany))
OSX is a niche market. Developing a product for this can be considered to be commercial suicide.
EDIT: Let's be optimistic and assume that 1% of the MacOS users may be interested in this product and that 10% of those would actually buy it. How many may that be? Worldwide? 1000? 10,000?
How much would a license have to be to only pay back the development costs (not to mention the license fees for Apple)? Meanwhile, in Q1 2013 total global PC desktop and laptop sales fell over 20% to just under 22 million units compared to the same time in 2012 (refer IDC EMEA Quarterly PC Tracker, Preliminary Results, 1Q13, April 17, 2013). Apple's sales of iMacs on a comparable basis increased about 26% to more than 5 million (refer Apple Q1 2013 hardware sales) | | | Last edited: by PeterJ |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201301-201303-bar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201301-201303-bar Great site, haven't seen it before. Here is a pic from it | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Wow,
OS-X has already outrun Vista which is off-market for 4 years now (and was a complete failure of an OS attempt). Thankfully Win8 isn't selling that good either, so maybe in another 20 years MacOS will outrun Windows. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Interesting that they lump all OSX releases together but break out the Windows releases. The different OSX releases span some 12 years. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote: Interesting that they lump all OSX releases together but break out the Windows releases. The different OSX releases span some 12 years. ...and what would have been a point to separate every OSX release? To see every 0,0x% market share? |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting rdodolak:
Quote: Interesting that they lump all OSX releases together but break out the Windows releases. The different OSX releases span some 12 years. ...and what would have been a point to separate every OSX release? To see every 0,0x% market share? So you can see which OSX versions are being used the most or the spread just like they did with Windows. Otherwise comparing WinVista to OSX is like comparing apples to oranges. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote: Quoting SilentBob1138:
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From what I've read Apple doesn't allow developers to develop for older iOS versions. Other developers have stated this as well. If this is actually true then yes Apple is forcing developers to not support older iOS versions.
I don't think that is true. The current version of Xcode only supports iOS 4.3 and higher, but I think it is still possible to use older versions of Xcode. I could be wrong, though. That said, the current version of DVDP still supports iOS 4.3 and that runs on old devices, though not all of them. But the iPhone 3Gs is still supported and that is four years old now, which is an eternity in technology. It obviously doesn't help you if you got an even older device. But you can't expect to get support forever. Apple is pretty good at supporting older devices compared to most Android manufacturers, but sooner or later an older device won't be able to run new software.
Unfortunately, I have a 2G device which works just fine but that is the problem. Apple stopped supporting iOS updates for 2G devices two years after the devices where FIRST released. That's rather generous because if someone purchased a 2G device toward the EOL then they really only got 1 years worth of IOS upgrades. And even that, the 4.2.1 release was crippled for 2G devices. That seems rather limited. 4.3.1 was release roughly 4 months after 4.2.1 was released but alas Apple won't let me install that version.
I have a wide range of other computers and devices which work just fine with the latest and greatest OS. I have a 6 year old desktop, 4 year old laptop, 1 year old laptop and all work fine with Windows 7; the desktop originally came with XP. These software limitations with Apple is one of the big reasons why I chose to go with Android when I upgraded my Phones and purchased tablets. I shouldn't have to drop another $500 for a new device, especially after only 2 years, when the old ones work just fine. From what I can tell it's a limitation simply imposed by Apple. Other OS and hardware manufacturers have no problem supporting devices greater than 2 years old so why is it that Apple limits what OS you can install?
This did leave a bad taste in my mouth especially after I paid for apps and can't upgrade them to the latest version. Even worst iTunes is more than willing to let you know that a newer version is available even though it's NOT compatible with your device. Even worst is that iTunes doesn't tell you that it's not compatible until it overwrites the old app version stored on your desktop. At which point your SOL unless you happen to have a backup copy of the old app. And then Apple won't even allow you to redownload the old version which is compatible with your device. And you think Android is better where constructors never release updates to the new major update of Android? With the majority of Android devices, if you want new version you have to buy a new one and Apple still support updates for iPhone 3GS released in 2009. I prefer Apple devices but I understand people like also Android but for the follow up of updates, Apple is better than the majority of constructors of Android devices. | | | Regards Cyrille |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Cyrille: Quote: And you think Android is better where constructors never release updates to the new major update of Android? With the majority of Android devices, if you want new version you have to buy a new one and Apple still support updates for iPhone 3GS released in 2009. I prefer Apple devices but I understand people like also Android but for the follow up of updates, Apple is better than the majority of constructors of Android devices. Like Apple you can also root your Android device and install a newer version of Android if needed. However, unlike Apple if you root your Android device you can still download new apps and updates from the official store. |
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