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Is Blu-Ray Worth It?
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In the last 12 months I have purchased a 1080p LCD, PS3, 7.1 AV Receiver that decodes all the HD audio formats, has lots of HDMI connections and upscales most input sources ...

Interesting approach. My A/V receiver is due for an upgrade. Mind telling us what you got and why you like it?
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One question to ask about the receiver audio is if it's pass-through.  If the answer is yes, pass.
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In the last 12 months I have purchased a 1080p LCD, PS3, 7.1 AV Receiver that decodes all the HD audio formats, has lots of HDMI connections and upscales most input sources ...

Interesting approach. My A/V receiver is due for an upgrade. Mind telling us what you got and why you like it?


I purchased a Sony STRDA3400ES. Features that I like:

• 7.1 Channel HD Receiver
• Sony PS3-like X-Media bar menu (very easy to navigate and fits in nicely with the PS3)
• Bravia Faroudja® DCDi Cinema™ Chipset for Upscaling to 1080p (upscales component as well as HDMI sources. Good for legacy equipment)
• x.v.Colour and True Colour (better display Works nicely with the Sony Bravia LCD)
• Dolby True HD / Dolby Digital Plus / DTS-HD decoding plus all the usual decodes
• BRAVIA Sync (one button operation with the Sony Bravia LCD)
• Digital Cinema Auto Calibration (calibrates itself for your room)
• Digital media port to plug in I-Pod

Purchased for less than half price. It is a decent middle of the road choice.
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I purchased a Sony STRDA3400ES ...

I'm drooling ... thanks for the info. Just read the specs 

If I get it this year, I'll have to settle for it's little brother - better fits my budget. My unit is 5 or more years old. It was amazing at the time, and still sounds great, but doesn't have the latest features, such as HDMI. What I would really love is a unit that has dual HDMI outputs - one for the TV and one for the projector.
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Well, for me, don't have blu, don't really care about it.

Having been in the computer business for over 20 years, I'm well aquainted with the losing battle of trying to stay ahead of the technology curve.  It's a never-ending merry-go-round that just ended up robbing me of time and money with little appreciable gain.  It's particularly amusing when folks attempt to "future-proof" themselves. 

Beyond that, blu just ends up creating problems for me.  The first problem becomes one of portability.  We've got a bunch of players distributed all over the house, plus a couple of portables, not to mention the mini-van.  No way I'm replacing all these devices with blu players...well, actually I couldn't even if I wanted to.  So now I either have to buy two copies of titles or be limited to watching my blu discs in one room of the house.  That is just an unacceptable limitation in our house.

Selection.  Well, let's face it, the selection of titles is complete crap IF you're a classic film buff.  The selection totally rocks if you're a summer tentpole fan.  Unfortunately for me, I lean more towards the golden age of hollywood.

Price.  Prices sure are dropping....but SD is still cheaper.

Picture quality.  Okay, bear with me here.  No doubt that blu has the best picture quality, hands down.  The problem is that I'm noticing on the few older films being released, the end result is so sharp that the various processing techniques used back in the day become very apparent.  Ironically, in an attempt to get closer to a film-like presentation, the exact opposite occurs.  By exposing all the effects flaws, I'm taken further out of the picture, rather than being drawn in.  The primary reason for this, of course, is the habit is scrubbing out film grain.  It was the grain that masked the warts on the old effects and it's removal just makes things look bad.

In summary, I'll be sticking with SD for some years to come.  It suits my needs, facilitates my viewing habits and offers an amazing selection at an affordable price.
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Good observations mdnitoil
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I should point out that film, unless the projector is out of focus or something, will have even higher detail than Blu-ray. If you are seeing things that weren't meant to be seen, so did audiences back in the day.

Granted, the Blu-ray version of Dark City made me realize Jennifer Connelly doesn't always do a good job of waxing her upper lip.
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Granted, the Blu-ray version of Dark City made me realize Jennifer Connelly doesn't always do a good job of waxing her upper lip.



Will have to bump this up to near the top of the unwatched pile now...
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I should point out that film, unless the projector is out of focus or something, will have even higher detail than Blu-ray. If you are seeing things that weren't meant to be seen, so did audiences back in the day.

Granted, the Blu-ray version of Dark City made me realize Jennifer Connelly doesn't always do a good job of waxing her upper lip.

This is a common theme thrown out there by the lovers of hi-def, and they couldn't be more wrong.  The bottom line is that audiences "back in the day" never got to see these imperfections simply because of the masking qualities of film grain inherent to the analog process.  You have to remember that filmgoers never saw the original negative.  At best, they saw a second generation dupe of the negative, frequently a third generation dupe.  The filmmakers were intimately aware of this fact and took advantage of it.
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I should point out that film, unless the projector is out of focus or something, will have even higher detail than Blu-ray. If you are seeing things that weren't meant to be seen, so did audiences back in the day.

Granted, the Blu-ray version of Dark City made me realize Jennifer Connelly doesn't always do a good job of waxing her upper lip.

This is a common theme thrown out there by the lovers of hi-def, and they couldn't be more wrong.  The bottom line is that audiences "back in the day" never got to see these imperfections simply because of the masking qualities of film grain inherent to the analog process.  You have to remember that filmgoers never saw the original negative.  At best, they saw a second generation dupe of the negative, frequently a third generation dupe.  The filmmakers were intimately aware of this fact and took advantage of it.
OK, you have a point there. However, I'd like to make a distinction:

1. Newest films: these are generally made with HD in mind and as such filmmakers will apply the necessary attention to details. Some recent movies that spring to mind are The Dark Knight, Transformers, Iron-Man

2. Relatively new films: here, it seems to be very dependant on each individual film but many of those actually look better with the increased resolution. One striking example is the Blu-ray for I, Robot: that movie looks just as good on Blu-ray than a top-tier movie released in the past 2 years.

3. Older films: I think the key here is the word 'remastering'. Old movies and series can look awesome on Blu-ray provided a decent (and time-consuming) remastering process is applied. A few positive examples that spring to mind:

Star Trek the Original Series: I've seen the series in many iterations, even going back to the first rerun, but the way I see it on Blu-ray is like falling in love all over again with your first love. The remastered special effects blend in perfectly and all the vintage film stock has been manually and meticulously cleaned up and remastered. A prime example of how even a 60's TV series can benefit from Hi-def. Just have a look at the differences here:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/37039/star-trek-the-original-series-season-1/
Now, you can be in favor or against the new SFX integrated (the Blu-ray offers the choice between both through seamless branching), but the cleaned up vintage picture does have a lot more detail and punch than the original one.

Blade Runner: another sci-fi classic that has been thoroughly remastered and now offers clean and beautiful details I had never seen before, all the while staying true to the original. Just take a look at the screenshot comparisons (and the increase in quality is even more noticeable when you see the picture in motion)

Basically, I think it would be unfair to say that even old series and movies can't benefit from the hi-def treatment. If anything, they can rejuvinate them so we can enjoy them like never before. Two things I will agree on, though:
- older series and movies definitely need a decent remastering process to look good on hi-def
- not enough vintage movies and series are currently available on Blu-ray (most likely because of the intensive remastering needed and the success of newer releases)

Finally, some comparison screenshots for Blade Runner (top = DVD, bottom = Blu-ray)





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I'd say old films benefit the most if they are properly restored (not butchered by DNR). New movies will look better of course, but there the difference isn't as startling because you expect them to look prestine anyway.
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I will be purchasing a Blu-Ray player some time this year. But will not replace my current DVDs with Blu-Ray to expensive and will only purchase movies when I feel the price is worth it.
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I put my vote down for superior video and sound.  For me, it's about the picture.  I don't have a surround system on my Blu-Ray TV... yet.

But, even though the difference in the picture is usually amazing, with Blu-Ray being on average 30% to 50% more than a DVD, it can be significant. I still struggle with spending the extra money on some titles.  I've never seen a Blu-Ray with a "bad" transfer, but I've seen a couple where it is absolutely no better than the DVD.

Transportability is definitely a concern too.  Like others, I have DVD players all over the house, a portable and one in our van.  Even if I could, I would not be converting all of these to Blu-Ray any time soon.  Just too much money to lay out.
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@Taro, what an enjoyable post! You get my vote for one of the "Top Cool Posts of The Year" award. I want to read it again!

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Blade Runner: another sci-fi classic that has been thoroughly remastered and now offers clean and beautiful details I had never seen before, all the while staying true to the original. Just take a look at the screenshot comparisons (and the increase in quality is even more noticeable when you see the picture in motion)

I have the HD DVD version. I wonder if equivalent. I'll try searching for those scenes (hints on where to look would be apreciated). Edit: Thanks bob9000 - yaaay! That's one of my much anticpated unwatched items. Can't wait.
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I have the HD DVD version. I wonder if equivalent. I'll try searching for those scenes (hints on where to look would be apreciated).


It is completely identical, the exact same master encoded the same way at the same bitrate. And HD DVD or Blu it is one of the best HD releases out there.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1040/bladerunner_cce.html

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/251/bladerunner.html
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