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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Toshiba is now offering 5 free movies with your purchase into a quickly dying format.  What's the use?

Hey, but to each their own.


That is your opinion.  Nobody with an unbiased opinion is making that assertion.  Most are saying this fight will be around for quite a while.
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Toshiba is now offering 5 free movies with your purchase into a quickly dying format.  What's the use?

Hey, but to each their own.


That is your opinion.  Nobody with an unbiased opinion is making that assertion.  Most are saying this fight will be around for quite a while.

Let's put it another way.  Do you see the sales numbers between Blu-ray and HD DVD growing closer together or further apart?
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.


Yeah, like we all ended up with Betamax tape machines.  Riiiiight!
John

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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.

...and VCD was wildly popular here.
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.


Really?  This is from the last Japan article you linked to...

But we also have to look at the big picture. The Japanese / European / United States consumer markets are entirely seperate entities that have behaved completely different in times past. Just because one product or format is popular in Japan, it does not necessarily mean that the rest of the world will follow suit. For example, the DVD-RAM format is very popular Japan. Ask an average North American consumer if they have ever used DVD-RAM and they would probably not even know what it is.

So please, please, tell me where you are getting this "usually" from. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Did I already mention, that I will buy nextgen HD movies only whenn they come on e isolinear chips and are playable in a standard sized holo suite?
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Wouldn't Blu-ray do the same?
They are giving a bad movie `Black Hawk Down`, I think, with a PS3 purchase.
Like a title like that will sell extra?
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I think this war will be decided in 2009 when US broadcasters are REQUIRED to stop all analog transmission and return their spectrum back to the government.  When people start buying HD TVs in mass, they are going to want a Hi Def DVD.  When they compare the prices on the 2 formats, I think HD DVD will have the advantage if prices are still what they are now.  HD DVD uses the better codec, and by then studios will have the option to use a 51 GB HD DVD disc, or a disc that is HD DVD on one side and Blu-ray on the other.  Why spend more for a player when you can get one for half the price that will play the side of the disc that has better picture quality and more special features.  Remember, Blue-ray needs the 50 GB just to get their movie on the disc because they don't want to use Microsoft's VC1 codec because Microsoft is backing HD DVD.  HD DVD can use the extra space for extras. 

The average Amreican family will not pay 500.00 more for a player.
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.


Yeah, like we all ended up with Betamax tape machines.  Riiiiight!

Wrong era.
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.

...and VCD was wildly popular here.

They are very popular in the rest of the world.  One of the only reason it didn't grow in the States is because of legal actions the studios can take (studios don't really get money from those).

How about GSM that was just adopted by AT&T some time ago?  The Japan has grown the technology immensely.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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News from Japan...


And we all know that where Japan goes the rest of the world follows....

Usually, sooner or later...most times later.


Really?  This is from the last Japan article you linked to...

But we also have to look at the big picture. The Japanese / European / United States consumer markets are entirely seperate entities that have behaved completely different in times past. Just because one product or format is popular in Japan, it does not necessarily mean that the rest of the world will follow suit. For example, the DVD-RAM format is very popular Japan. Ask an average North American consumer if they have ever used DVD-RAM and they would probably not even know what it is.

So please, please, tell me where you are getting this "usually" from. 

What about Fiber To The Home (FTTH)? 
What about HD broadcasts?
What about friend locator on cell phone (like the Helios)?
What about fuel efficient vehicles?
What about new forms of earthquake stabilization?

...and so many others.
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Did I already mention, that I will buy nextgen HD movies only whenn they come on e isolinear chips and are playable in a standard sized holo suite?

LMAO!  Good luck on being alive if that happens.
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So please, please, tell me where you are getting this "usually" from. 

What about Fiber To The Home (FTTH)? 
What about HD broadcasts?
What about friend locator on cell phone (like the Helios)?
What about fuel efficient vehicles?
What about new forms of earthquake stabilization?

...and so many others.


Other than fuel efficient vehicles, was there a 'format war'?  I mean was there another company pushing something other that FTTH or different Earthquake Stabalization?  Even your 'fuel efficient vehicles' isn't completely correct.  One word...HUMMER. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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When they compare the prices on the 2 formats, I think HD DVD will have the advantage if prices are still what they are now.

The prices won't be the same....look at this article.
The PS3 Blu-ray player is $500.  If there was a $500 difference between the two formats, HD DVD would be free.  The standalone Sony BDP-S300 Blu-ray player is looking to be around $300 by Black Friday (November).


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HD DVD uses the better codec, and by then studios will have the option to use a 51 GB HD DVD disc, or a disc that is HD DVD on one side and Blu-ray on the other.

HD DVD does not use the better codec.  Where did you get that from?  BTW, Blu-ray uses ALL 3 video codecs.

Why worry about a 51GB disc that is yet to be ratified?  HD DVD still hasn't put out a 45GB disc and it was ratified a long time ago.  I will tell you why they probably won't produce those TL discs, if you haven't figured it out yet.  They would cost more to make than BD 50GB disc (BTW, Blu-ray's max disc size is 200GB).  Plus, you would most likely have to buy a new player just to play a 51GB HD DVD disc (not in the specs of current HD DVD players).

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Why spend more for a player when you can get one for half the price that will play the side of the disc that has better picture quality and more special features.

It seems you, too, are caught in the past.  That hasn't been the case for some time now.  More special features is a studio's choice when it comes to Blu-ray...not a format choice.  Remember, Blu-ray has more space available than HD DVD.


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Remember, Blue-ray needs the 50 GB just to get their movie on the disc because they don't want to use Microsoft's VC1 codec because Microsoft is backing HD DVD.

Again, Blu-ray support ALL 3 video codecs (MPEG-2, VC-1, and MPEG4-AVC).  Cable, Satellite, and Over the Air (OTA) broadcastors have choosen AVC to succeed MPEG-2 (not VC-1).  Actually, VC-1 does not seem to capture facial details as well as the other video codecs (no doubt do to all the filtering).  Then, there is the problem with arrtifacting on brown and orange scenes.  I showed examples of this, in the last forum, to Amir which he did not deny.  VC-1 is not the best codec.

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The average Amreican family will not pay 500.00 more for a player.

Like I said before, to say a Blu-ray player costs $500 more would make an HD DVD player cost $0.  And, it seems your theory is incorrect.  In December, standalone player sales were about even despite being able to buy a standalone HD DVD player at $500 and not $1000.  That was a $500 difference.  It seems like people just want to choose the right format no matter the difference in price.  A lot of people, generally, realize price is usually not a static thing in consumer electronics.

Early adopter makes the format choice for the rest of the people.  Blu-ray's lead is only getting wider.  No one wants to buy into the wrong format.  The average American family will look at the most major studio supported and most successful format and make a decision.  The way things are looking for the future that will be Blu-ray.
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