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This is the most telling part:
Quoted from Engadget:
"A contact close to HD DVD tells us that studios selling both formats are turning a profit on both and as long as they continue to turn a profit they will continue to support both sides. This makes us wonder what Universal, Fox and Disney are thinking. Why would they choose to only support one side when they are losing money by leaving out the other side? We have tried to ask them, they haven't responded. If studios can make money on both sides and they all start to support both sides this war could go on forever, in fact the only chance of a end is if Universal starts making Blu-ray movies or Fox and Disney start to make HD DVDs (but not both)."

Here is an answer to the question posed in the paragraph above.  It costs more money for the Blu-ray side to support both sides.  Blu-ray is just breaking even (according to a couple insiders) with it's sales being 3:1 over HD DVD monthly.  The man power hours and additional audio encoding tools to lower the bit rates and the file size of the title is too great to produce on HD DVD.  Disney is producing most titles on 50GB discs with uncompressed PCM and AVC@peaking at 40Mbps video (HD DVD's bandwidth/throughput limit is in the 30Mbps range for video and audio together).  All an HD DVD exclusive studio would need to do is port the title over to Blu-ray.  Their additional costs would be minimal in comparison to a Blu-ray studio producing both.

Bottom line...For the Blu-ray team it's too much effort and money for only potentially 25% more sales.

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This also might become extremely pertinent if the multi-format players begin to take off.  What impact will multi-format players have on this war???

Multi-format players could have a few effects.  The information I've imparted earlier in this post still remains in effect.  With that in mind, it allows studios to choose which format they want to release titles on (depending on the amount of multi-format players).  The expense of producing on two format is something dual supporting studios would like to get away from.

Another effect (although highly unlikely due to the reasons listed above) could be that all studios except Universal, MGM, Sony Pictures, Columbia Pictures go neutral because of this (again, depending on a very high number of multi-format players in the homes).  Of course, this in the least rational choice based on high multi-format players in homes.  A high saturation of multi-format players would allow exclusive movie studios to keep doing what they are doing.  Dual format supporting studios will choose a format to support going forward to save on costs of production.  That leads my to the final effect that could happen.

The last effect is basically no effect.  Everyone continues doing what they're doing movie studio-wise.  People could just choose to have both formats on the home front and we keep pedaling along without some format getting snuffed out early.

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Engadget still feels this is dead on, despite Blu-Rays edge in sales, as of April 12th (see link at the end)!!!

April 12th, still no end in sight!!!

I am sure A_S will dismiss these as being incorrect or biased in view however!!! 

Saying there is no end in sight kind of depends on your ability to see, right? 

You've become a troll.

You bend "facts" thisaway & thataway, and you have convinced no one by them, other than you.

You are biased beyond belief. You ignore the reality that you have convinced no one here of anything other than you being the most annoying pest here.

If you are a shill, you need to return the money you've taken.

If you are not a shill, I'm sure Sony would appreciate you shutting up and not trying to "help" them any more.

You're blind in one eye, deaf in one ear, and cannot see or hear out of the others.

You have nothing, yet you keep on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and... continue to offend everyone who reads your blather.

I quit. Have a nice life, shill.

AcS wrote: "Saying there is no end in sight kind of depends on your ability to see, right?"


... and we all know how far you see with your Blu-ray glasses

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You've become a troll.

Trolls tell you lies.  Trolls don't give you methodologies to how you arrive at a conclusion.  Maybe I should just ask you if you know what the definition of a TROLL is.  I challenge you to prove me wrong.  That's how you find out who's doing what.  Gets your numbers together and see if it contradicts what I have said.

Where are your explanations of your methodologies?  In other words, how did you come to the conclusions you come to?  This stuff should NOT be based on emotion.

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You bend "facts" thisaway & thataway, and you have convinced no one by them, other than you.

You take information and place it in a context that doesn't show the bigger version of the picture, but I'm twisting the "facts"?  You and others give certain scenerios but won't consider almost the exact same scenerios in the past because they had different outcomes than you care for.

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You are biased beyond belief. You ignore the reality that you have convinced no one here of anything other than you being the most annoying pest here.

If you are a shill, you need to return the money you've taken.

If you are not a shill, I'm sure Sony would appreciate you shutting up and not trying to "help" them any more.

You're blind in one eye, deaf in one ear, and cannot see or hear out of the others.

You have nothing, yet you keep on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and... continue to offend everyone who reads your blather.

I quit. Have a nice life, shill.

Don't get mad because you and others don't have much of a leg to stand on.  Usually people that don't have a strong argument get mad and quit.

Am I suppose to just agree with everything you say when the information you present doesn't create a complete picture?  Does that make sense?  Is that logical?

I wonder how many people here will be quiet if these trends continue and my future scenarios based on that information ends up being a lot closer to the truth than yours?  If that happens, at that point, you would have to say to yourself...was I wrong because I didn't see the big picture or ignored the facts where he did?

Until then...I will continue to post the facts and my theories based on those facts...period!

I guess some people are just too emotional.  Emotion tends to cloud judgement.  This fact is well documented.

You know, this "WAS" an interesting thread - now... it isn't.

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Quoting Calidain:

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I am sure A_S will dismiss these as being incorrect or biased in view however!!! 

Because A_S has no bias in his view whatsoever.

It really depends on what you are biased by, doesn't it?  I am biased by the facts as all should be.  You shouldn't be neutral when the facts aren't neutral, but I guess that's just my philosophy. 

Yes, you are biased by the "facts" that you select....  selective knowledge of hand-picked "facts" seen through your Blu-ray-only colored glasses does not equal objectivity or logical discourse. 

It's nothing but pure shill-speak propaganda.  Stop pretending to be a neutral observer

If the FACTS points out that something else is better than Blu-ray, I WILL go with whatever that is.  Not one piece of information that can be easily misinterpreted, but the larger picture.  Unfortunately, that is HVD, which is too far away to consider.

I know that people tend to believe a few over one.  That is the way most humans react to an emotionally charged person making claims that tend to make them more popular or more excepted while increasingly decreasing the popularity of the other.  It's life.  Does that make what they say truth?  Of course, not.  It rallies emotional charge people and tend to create an emotional bonding with the people that cries out.  It's classic.  Many people have no choice but to fall for that.

Just don't think I will sit idle while additional things that are not being taken into consideration that should be are overlooked.  I will say it even amongst deaf ears, because there will be someone that isn't deaf out there.

Another thing I find funny is that when Amir was here, few people said anything about him being a shill (by very definition he is a shill).  But, some people here are calling me that now.  I also find it funny that this place has been a HD DVD fanboy haven for quite sometime (just read the old forum pages).  If I was posting misinformation, FUD, and out right lies about Blu-ray, I hardly think these people reacting now would have reacted at all.  Oh well...

Quoting FunkyLA:

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Can we "all" pick our dummies (pacifiers) off the floor now?
Both sides of this argument are guilty
I suggest we all just "wait and see" as no good is going to come of just batting each other to death over it.

We shall all know, soon enough... let us just wait, and let this thread die

I thank you

This thread is like the song that never ends

As far as Microsoft dragging this format war out longer than it needs to be, I hardly see any evidence to support that argument.  You continually spout off about numbers and facts, so show us the facts that support your disdain that Microsoft is the evil doer in this entire sorbid affair!!!  And you do know of course that the main reason that SONY doesn't use the better VC-1 codec is because there is a proprietary royalty involved that SONY would have to give to Microsoft, so plug that into this equation.

As far as the DVD situation between SONY and Toshiba, most of the major players in the electronics industy supported DVD vs. the SONY/Phillips backed medium, don't try to make Toshiba into the bad guy then.  You also cannot blame Toshiba and its supporters for taking the DVD and attempting to advance it into the next gen medium.  It makes the most sense to adapt existing technology (when possible) and build upon it rather than create something entirely new (unless of course you are someone like SONY who will benefit from everyone adapting this new technology).

In my opinion SONY and Microsoft are just the 2 sides of the same corporate, money grubbing, coin.