Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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HD DVD's organized "buy" days has successfully created a spike in Amazon.com sales. 

The organized buy has temporarily pushed Planet Earth in the top 5 sales and boosted all the HD DVD sales up past Blu-ray on Amazon.

Congrats! 

AcS ..... NOBODY CARES!  Please stop posting useless "stats", conjectures and your pet theory of the world.

Quoting VibroCount:

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And, once again to put that pie chart in perspective, comparing HD DVD & Blu-Ray sales in comparision to the entire market:


See that red slice at the top? That's HD DVD.

See that cyan slice at the top, just to the right of the magena slice? That's Blu-Ray.

See the yellow (with the red and the cyan)? That's the entire market.

See how obvious Blu-Ray is trouncing HD DVD?

No?

Oh....

That is not the HD market.  That's the current video market.  If you think that is making a point, then why is HD DVD dead in Japan without most of your pie being consumed by Blu-ray.  At the very least, that should let you know that the large part of your pie really has nothing to do with HD DVD vs Blu-ray.  Maybe you just didn't see that fact.

Here is usually where some people get really self-righteous about the US and say that other countries don't matter.

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Quoting VibroCount:

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And, once again to put that pie chart in perspective, comparing HD DVD & Blu-Ray sales in comparision to the entire market:


See that red slice at the top? That's HD DVD.

See that cyan slice at the top, just to the right of the magena slice? That's Blu-Ray.

See the yellow (with the red and the cyan)? That's the entire market.

See how obvious Blu-Ray is trouncing HD DVD?

No?

Oh....

That is not the HD market.  That's the current video market.  If you think that is making a point, then why is HD DVD dead in Japan without most of your pie being consumed by Blu-ray.  At the very least, that should let you know that the large part of your pie really has nothing to do with HD DVD vs Blu-ray.  Maybe you just didn't see that fact.

Here is usually where some people get really self-righteous about the US and say that other countries don't matter.

But Japan does not dictate the US market. What's big in japan(no song reference) may not be so in the US or the rest of the world.*

Analogy: Soccer and American Football.**

*The author of said statement does not imply one is better than the other. Just a point
**The author believes that nobody should buy either format until there is ONE & ONE HD format only. Don't support them because they sure as hell don't support you otherwise there would be one format.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Maybe you didn't notice, but this thread is about Blu-ray and HD DVD.  That means if you don't care, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS THREAD!  It's just that simple.  Geez.

So, I guess you won't be back in this thread, right?

Dude, YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS FORUM. At least not until you stop swinging those smug, self-obsessed, self-righteous opinions around, bludgeoning the other members with tedious, mind-numbing, repetitive and oh-so-slanted 'facts' that prove nothing. No one has ever evinced the least little interest in anything you have to say, whay don't you get that?

And for the record, the point that VibroCount was trying to make (if I am not mistaken) was that until HD DVD OR Blu Ray garnish a FAR FAR greater chunk of that Home Video Pie, then they are both equally irrelevant and an argument cannot possibly be made for the race being over...or even a the first lap being over for that matter. The potential finish line for this race is the whole pie, and so far between them they have what? 1%, 2%? NO ONE IS WINNING AND NO ONE IS GONNA WIN FOR YEARS. Do you seriously intend to be camping here irritating each and every member of this forum until the rece is done? 5 years from now when that pie is split 60/40 for one or the other, are you still going to be here touting Blu Ray like a pusher who is behind on his payments to his supplier?

Seriously man, take a break. And give us one. Sheeeesh. 

And while you are sitting back giving us a break from your rants and diatribes, why donlt you contribute to this forum and program in a MEANINGFUL way. I don't think I have EVER seen a single DVD contribution from you....I don't think think I have even seen you vote. Go do that for awhile instead of bugging the crap out of everyone who reads the 'tedium in a can' you call being informative.

Quoting graymadder:

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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Quoting VibroCount:

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And, once again to put that pie chart in perspective, comparing HD DVD & Blu-Ray sales in comparision to the entire market:


See that red slice at the top? That's HD DVD.

See that cyan slice at the top, just to the right of the magena slice? That's Blu-Ray.

See the yellow (with the red and the cyan)? That's the entire market.

See how obvious Blu-Ray is trouncing HD DVD?

No?

Oh....

That is not the HD market.  That's the current video market.  If you think that is making a point, then why is HD DVD dead in Japan without most of your pie being consumed by Blu-ray.  At the very least, that should let you know that the large part of your pie really has nothing to do with HD DVD vs Blu-ray.  Maybe you just didn't see that fact.

Here is usually where some people get really self-righteous about the US and say that other countries don't matter.

But Japan does not dictate the US market. What's big in japan(no song reference) may not be so in the US or the rest of the world.*

Analogy: Soccer and American Football.**

*The author of said statement does not imply one is better than the other. Just a point
**The author believes that nobody should buy either format until there is ONE & ONE HD format only. Don't support them because they sure as hell don't support you otherwise there would be one format.

Then, another chart needs to be presented.  If I'm not mistaken (based on this), that is a WORLD chart of the DVD market...not just the US.  That would therefore make Japan a part of this.  If their HD war could be won while the only being less than 1% of the total market, why can't it be done in the US?  That is why I try to keep people from comparing the HD market to the total DVD market.

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Quoting graymadder:

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**The author believes that nobody should buy either format until there is ONE & ONE HD format only. Don't support them because they sure as hell don't support you otherwise there would be one format.

Well said, I having arguing that since this formt war began!!!  I believe that if the market boycots this war, maybe just maybe these idiots will figure out that the consumers are sick and tired of this crap, and then perhaps SONY and TOSHIBA will discontinue this spitting contest!!!

I believe this war would have been over by now if it wasn't for MS.  MS goal seems to be geared towards keeping the format war going until they can try to get downloadable content pushed.  MS hints that they don't believe in HD DVD as a format.  Here is a quote from that article.

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...said Peter von Schlossberg, executive vice president and general manager, On Broadband Networks. “We’ve been able to design and build the service in a fraction of the time and cost of other similar ventures, largely because of Microsoft’s commitment to driving this effort forward.

In the last issue of Game Informer, there were a few questions about the Xbox 360 Elite to an anonymous MS employee.

One question went like this:

Why wasn't HD-DVD included on this new flagship 360?

The answer: "The format isn't proven yet."


So, the next question you have to ask yourself is why would they put dollars behind something they don't really believe in in the first place?

I think everyone that wants 1080p movies should just jump in and buy whatever format is leading by the holiday season.  That way we can ALL enjoy the best 1080p titles can offer.

When the stats are based on less than 1% of total market share, then comparing them is meaningless! If we were to abandon VHS equipment when videotapes were selling as low as HD discs are, then Beta would have won.

It didn't.

I think you're trying to manipulate market, not offer good advice.

Today, your stats are so trivial that they contain zero content.

When Beta disappeared, video tape was big. HD disc sales need to grow dramatically for your stats to mean anything.

Because MS is correct. Downloadable content will kill this disc market before either gets into enough homes to count. And, in the meantime, it is their job to keep disc sales divided and low and for them to carry a portion of it. Makes good business sense to me, unlike Sony's attitude toward the world over the past three decades.

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When the stats are based on less than 1% of total market share, then comparing them is meaningless! If we were to abandon VHS equipment when videotapes were selling as low as HD discs are, then Beta would have won.

It didn't.

I think you're trying to manipulate market, not offer good advice.

Beta and VHS was the beginning of the video market.  There was no market to compare it to was there?  It was just a battle between the 2 formats.  Think about it for a minute, that format war ended way before the market hit the kind of saturated numbers you are trying to say these two HD formats (specifically Blu-ray since their numbers are higher) need to reach to be considered as meaningless.  Why would it not be meaningless for the Betamax vs. VHS war, but meaningless for the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray war?  That's not very consist. 

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When Beta disappeared, video tape was big. HD disc sales need to grow dramatically for your stats to mean anything.

I guess breaking a record set by DVD (the very thing you keep comparing HD to) is not dramatic enough for you.  So you are willing to say DVD's numbers were impressive up to this point, but are not willing to acknowledge that Blu-ray is creating larger numbers than DVD during the same time span?  There are too many contradictions in the stats that you are willing to except.

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Because MS is correct. Downloadable content will kill this disc market before either gets into enough homes to count. And, in the meantime, it is their job to keep disc sales divided and low and for them to carry a portion of it. Makes good business sense to me, unlike Sony's attitude toward the world over the past three decades.

Downloadable content in the next few years is a pipe dream compared to what a HD format can bring within the next 5 to 15 years.

First, almost no TV on the planet has an ethernet jack.  People mainly watch TVs not computer monitors.  How many people would give up their TV size for a computer monitor?  It is crucial to at least have an ethernet connection on people's TV to even begin to take off.

Secondly, the network infrastructure is minimal at best.  People would need to have at least 36Mbps (HD DVD bandwidth limit) to provide a 1080p experience to people.  We usually adopt things that takes our experiences forward.  To download anything less than what current technology provides us would be a step backwards...not progress.  1080p Video-on-Demand services (cause most new sets sold in the future will be 1080p) would make a lot more sense within that time period.

Finally, ease of implementation is key.  Downloads at certain speeds depends on what's in the ground in much the same way as being able to get satellite or having to get cable (due to location).  That infrastructure issue will not be solved in the next 5 years for sure.  This is not the issue with the current formats in front of us now.  Anyone with the cash can pick up a HDTV and HD player and basically go anywhere in their respective countries and order/watch HD titles.

The government takes back their airwaves in 2009.  HDTV sales would have grown to a massive number.  Most of those owners will be looking for HD movie content.  So, for a company to think that they can keep the adoption rate of physical HD content that low for so long is at best a delusion, IMO.

IMO, after Blu-ray it will be more plausible for downloadable 1080p movie content.