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Calling someone who is upper management in one of the most powerful companies in the world a "loser" hardly seems accurate either.  If he's a loser, what the hell do you do in your day job?

I've met the guy and he's very knowledgable and nice.  Is he going to push HD DVD and talk down about Blu-ray?  Of course.  That (was) kind of his job.  Just as I wouldn't expect a high ranking individual on the Blu-ray side to praise HD DVD.  I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a loser.  I'd love to hear Erik's thoughts on this if he's so inclined to share.

Loser may not be the right word. First and foremost, while he may be a nice guy, he is someone that continually spreads a lot of FUD about Blu-ray opver at the AVS forums. He once tried to get access to Disney's Blu-ray retail site by stating that he was a retailer, or so I have heard. Why can't he just be honest. Hell, for that matter,why can't they all be honest. Bill Hunt, while you may or may not like him, is atleast honest about why he preferred BR over HDDVD. Personally, I don't care if you like him or not, but why does he get bashed for his opinion? Isn't he allowed to have one?

As for me hating on MS... that could be further from the truth. I have been an MS beta tester for 5 years now. My uncle and my cousin both work at MS. I have no reason to hate MS. I do think they do some things that are not on the up and up, but that's only my opinion for which I am entitled.

I was one of the few XP beta testers that actually defneded a little thing called "Product activation". I actually had one of my posts in their beta forums printed in an newsletter type deal they send ot to their employees.

I don't really hate on anyone. Looking around my room, I see an RCA TV, a Panasonic VCR/DVD combo copier with digital tuner, a Sharp LCD HD TV, an Xbox, a PS3, my HP pocket PC, an HP and lexmark printer, a Cannon scanner, a Cannon digital camera, 2 olympus digital cameras.

About the only thing I don't own at this point is an HD DVD player. Will I in the future? Probably not. Would I buy a combo player if the price was right? Hell yeah I would. It sucks not owning any Universal HD titles. I don't care about Paramount as they have very few hits that I am actually interested in.

Now, saying that, if WB or FOX or Disney suddenly shocked the world and dropped BR in favor of HD DVD, I would probbaly go out and buy me a HD DVD player. (Although, it's tempting me to buy one just for Heroes).

So, to recap.... Maybe calling Amir a loser is nto the right thing. If he reads this per chance, I apologize. But, lumping me in the same group as A_S is unfair.


Also, I don't think my day job mattters, but if you must know, I am temporary supervisor with 20 persons under my charge, not that that matters in anything.

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First and foremost, while he may be a nice guy, he is someone that continually spreads a lot of FUD about Blu-ray opver at the AVS forums.

Well, that's certainly a matter of opinion.  And the same could easily be said about any of the Blu-ray insiders.  I guess the amount of truth you see there has a lot to do with which side you've chosen in this war (if any).

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He once tried to get access to Disney's Blu-ray retail site by stating that he was a retailer, or so I have heard.

It's been a while, but as I recall, he flat out denied that he had anything to do with that.

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Why can't he just be honest.

I can't think of any specific instances where you could prove he's been dishonest.

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Bill Hunt, while you may or may not like him, is atleast honest about why he preferred BR over HDDVD. Personally, I don't care if you like him or not, but why does he get bashed for his opinion? Isn't he allowed to have one?

What bothers me about Bill isn't what he says.  It's what he doesn't say.  I've seen many instances where he's not making things up, but rather leaving out information.  But he is allowed his opinion.  He's even made it extremely clear that it is his opinion.  So you can't fault him for that.

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The bottom line is that when it comes to making billions of dollars of revenue from future software sales and patents and possible future advancements in technology, all these companies and the people who work for them, have a blatant agenda!!!  At the risk of offending anyone here, you are simply naive if you believe half the crap you read about this format war...is there really any true neutral opinion left anywhere on the web, especially among any of the home theater, audio/video, movie enthusiast, or consumer electronics websites out there that we all tend to get our daily news and information???

I agree 100%.  I said this months ago.  The only way to get close to the truth is read, read, read.  I follow all I can on the topic.  On both sides.  When you get a large enough pile of data, it helps to figure out what rings of the truth and what sounds like an outright lie.  It's not perfect of course, but it's the best you can do.

I'd add that it's much more sophisiticated that lying.  Erik accused Amir of lying.  I can't think of a single lie he's been caught in.  But that certainly doesn't mean that he's unbiased.  It is possible to present a subset of the truth to make the situation look better for one side or the other.  That's why I try to follow both sides.

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You're nowhere near the level of filth that Asc represents. I will say this though, from what I've seen online Blu-ray supporters tend to be well, umm, arrogant pricks. Again, I wouldn't lump you into that group. I think that when a BR supporter talks a lot of people see the "color" and disregard the message, regardless of what the message is... Again, from what I've seen the vast majority of personal attacks are initiated from Blu-ray supporters. Those people give you all a bad name. Sorry about your luck on that one.

To get to the discussion of the article itself. It was rather biased and I can think of at least one "fact" that could be up for debate. That being that Toshiba was ready to back out and MS somehow came in and convinced them otherwise. From all I know it was Toshiba who stepped up to the plate and tried to negotiate with Sony before any hardware was introduced onto the market. Sony declined negotiations and we're in this situation now...I'm sure if you search the archives of any of the major home theater magazines you'll find the references to this. I'm really not in the mood to dig it all up but I know it was written about in the months leading up to the HD DVD launch...

You are the filth.  Trying to deceive people by acting like numbers don't matter and then be one of the first ones trying to post about attach ratios and standalone numbers.  You keep trying to make excuses for why HD DVD is losing all over the PLANET.  It's pathetic.  You ONLY real source of information is from opinion based articles and forum.

You typically don't run into people that are extremely against science until you start talking about religion, but there you are.  You, obviously, don't care about the next 10+ years of HD movies to only think about the present UNLESS is about the HOPE of HD DVD taking the lead from Blu-ray (since that's CLEARLY not a reality in the present).  You, obviously, don't care about the people that CAN see and hear the difference between the two formats.  You seem to have a problem with choosing the format that covers those that CAN see that difference and those that can't.  Price almost ALWAYS comes down for CE manufactured products, so you can't say that Blu-ray would leave you or anyone else out.  Those SELFISH decisions and others do NOT make you rate above me.  Therefore, if I'm filth, you are surely much lower.

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You're nowhere near the level of filth that Asc represents. I will say this though, from what I've seen online Blu-ray supporters tend to be well, umm, arrogant pricks. Again, I wouldn't lump you into that group. I think that when a BR supporter talks a lot of people see the "color" and disregard the message, regardless of what the message is... Again, from what I've seen the vast majority of personal attacks are initiated from Blu-ray supporters. Those people give you all a bad name. Sorry about your luck on that one.

To get to the discussion of the article itself. It was rather biased and I can think of at least one "fact" that could be up for debate. That being that Toshiba was ready to back out and MS somehow came in and convinced them otherwise. From all I know it was Toshiba who stepped up to the plate and tried to negotiate with Sony before any hardware was introduced onto the market. Sony declined negotiations and we're in this situation now...I'm sure if you search the archives of any of the major home theater magazines you'll find the references to this. I'm really not in the mood to dig it all up but I know it was written about in the months leading up to the HD DVD launch...

You are the filth.  Trying to deceive people by acting like numbers don't matter and then be one of the first ones trying to post about attach ratios and standalone numbers.  You keep trying to make excuses for why HD DVD is losing all over the PLANET.  It's pathetic.  You ONLY real source of information is from opinion based articles and forum.

You typically don't run into people that are extremely against science until you start talking about religion, but there you are.  You, obviously, don't care about the next 10+ years of HD movies to only think about the present UNLESS is about the HOPE of HD DVD taking the lead from Blu-ray (since that's CLEARLY not a reality in the present).  You, obviously, don't care about the people that CAN see and hear the difference between the two formats.  You seem to have a problem with choosing the format that covers those that CAN see that difference and those that can't.  Price almost ALWAYS comes down for CE manufactured products, so you can't say that Blu-ray would leave you or anyone else out.  Those SELFISH decisions and others do NOT make you rate above me.  Therefore, if I'm filth, you are surely much lower.

What excuses have I made jack-asc?

Did I ever say that numbers don't matter at all?

You idiot, I have quoted DOLBY and DTS and the creator of the ONE film that was optimized for both formats. You know the one, you like to use this ONE example of why Blu-ray is "so much better" than HD DVD. I simply reported the entire truth of what the CREATOR of the content said. Now I'm not sure how that qualifies as "opinion based articles and forum"...Do Dolby and DTS technicians and engineers not qualify as experts? Of course, I could always trust the opinions of those at bluray.com instead...

I obviously don't care about people who can see and/or hear a difference? What the hell kind of argument is that? Yeah, ok so I'm not the ultimate HD humanitarian like yourself. The number of people who WON'T be able to see and/or hear a major difference FAR outwieghs those who can. That's something that you will never understand because of your elitist attitude. And THAT is your problem, not mine.

I have no problem with anyone choosing Blu-ray. I have a problem with the attitude that people like you have BECAUSE you made a CHOICE on a f'ing consumer electronics product. You've basically said that HD DVD owners are too stupid to have made the "proper" choice. I don't give a damn about the choices other people make. I'm perfectly happy with mine. You know 1080p/24fps/TrueHD; all that stuff that Blu-ray has and HD DVD doesn't. Oh wait...

How is my decision to adopt HD DVD selfish? I never claimed to "rate above you".

How do I attempt to deceive anyone?

Please explain your attack. You're a moron.

Twojayz ignore him, hes a disgusting little troll and no one in this forum is interested in a single word he types, because there is not a shred of intelligence to any of it.

Asc - I tell you what, you go through my posts and cherry pick my list of lies for me. Since I own HD DVD I'm not sure I'm capable of doing so...You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't been here since the beginning of this forum, not even close. As a matter of fact my first post here was around page 105...

As I have told you in the past, I've gotten and continue to get my information from Dolby, DTS, home theater magazines, CE PRO magazine (only available to those who have affiliation to the industry) and other sources. Even if it IS opinion based it is far more credible than highdefdigest.com or bluray.com... The problem you seem to have is that you only grasp onto the information that benefits your argument and disregard the rest. Also, in regard to the opinion based articles and forums...Do you remember (probably less than 60 days ago) when I said I DO NOT consider most web-based sources to be reputable. You're grasping at straws here. Talk about being deceitful.

I have nothing to explain in terms of my "attack" on you. You personally attack and insult those who share a difference of opinion on a consumer electronics item. The implication that those like myself are incapable of coming to an informed conclusion only because we didn't choose Blu-ray is repulsive.

Keep in mind that I have openly stated that I will in fact purchase a Blu-ray player when prices hit below $200. I have nothing against the format. I've also repeatedly said that it is fully capable of delivering an amazing experiene. I've been open and fair to BOTH sides and have said so many times. Again, you only hold onto the information that benefits your unchanging opinion and fail to recognize anything else.

I have to agree you with on that one. Pricing for both formats is borderline ridiculous. Just pre-ordered my copy of The Bourne Ultimatum, $56 total (I bought an additional one as a gift). But, the way I see it is this. When the wife and myself go out to see a movie we're dropping at least $30 to be annoyed by crowds, cell phones, way too much talking, bad audio (depending on the theater) and poor visuals. In contrast, $28 for a HD DVD (or Blu-ray) at home, with none of the annoyances above...Hmm...