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HD DVD and Blu-ray
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAscended_Saiyan
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I've saw this earlier on the DigitalBits:

Bill Hunt is almost as nauseating as Asc when he gets going with his irrationally biased diatribes.


I used to love that site.  But he just gets more irrational as time goes on.  It's too bad really.

Could you please explain what was irrational about what he was saying?  I'm curious.  What have you debunked from his recent statements?

When he was for HD DVD, I was one of the first people to say he was wrong about 50GB BDs not playing in Samsung BD-P1000 BD players.  I was right and his sources was very wrong.  Since he is now for Blu-ray, what information from Bill Hunt have been debunked?  If you can't come up with anything, what's so irrational about his recent statements?  Is it just an emotional thing?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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If the quote is stripped away from the rest of that post (and the posts before it), then it doesn't hold true.  However, when in it's proper context, it is quite correct.  HD DVD kept increasing the amount of movies they offered with their players.  The BDA needed to match that offer, eventually.  That's just business.


Just the answer I expected.  No, the BDA did not need to match that offer.  If their product is the superior one, they shouldn't have to give anything away to entice people to buy it.

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Toshiba's firesale should have a lot of HD DVD supporters worried.  Just like that article Bill Hunt wrote...the ground is coming up might fast.  What's next $50 HD DVD players?  $25?  I guess HD DVD supporters will mainly be the people buying these $98 or $99 HD DVD players.  Of course, that would mean those sales won't translate into more software sales.


Where do you come up with this drivel?  Why would HD DVD supporter be the ones buying those players?  Doesn't it stand to reason that HD DVD supporters already have a player?  Your 'guess' is quite illogical.  The most logical 'guess' is that the people sitting on the sidelines, waiting for one of the two formats to drop the price, will be the ones buying these players.

Your average consumer will buy the item they believe is the best bargain.  At this moment, a $99 HD player feeds into that belief.  If they can get an HD player for the same price as a DVD player, well, why wouldn't they?  In the world of retail, perception is reality.  At this moment, at least for the average consumer, the perception is HD is the better value.

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BTW, how many standalone HD DVD players Toshiba said they would sell by the end of this year?  Was it 1 million?  Didn't the HD DVD camp also promise 125 titles for the 4th quarter?  There are only 67 or so announced or out so far for this quarter.  That leaves about 58 titles to be announced within the next 60 days.    That's around 8 titles a week to be released EVERY Tuesday from now!    Did Universal and Paramount just give up on more releases this quarter (or longer)?


This is supposed to mean what to me?  As I have told you, several times, I am waiting for a clear winner.  I am not investing my money in either format.  Everything you just said is HD propaganda and is no different than the Blu-ray propaganda you like to spout as fact.

Btw, you really needn't bother responding to Mark.  I believe he is one of the many members of this forum that have blocked your posts.  I get a twinge of guilt everytime I quote you as I know they see your posts in mine. 
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I get a twinge of guilt everytime I quote you as I know they see your posts in mine. 


As well you should!  Life is much better without the Giant ASC around.
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A_S had a dream ......
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one more try .....  A_S had a dream:

DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Btw, you really needn't bother responding to Mark.  I believe he is one of the many members of this forum that have blocked your posts.


Thanks Unicus.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAscended_Saiyan
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Just the answer I expected.  No, the BDA did not need to match that offer.  If their product is the superior one, they shouldn't have to give anything away to entice people to buy it.

Even you should know that it's good business to match a competing company's offer (especially if the other company is lower in price).  That's just usually how the business world works.  Geez.

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Where do you come up with this drivel?  Why would HD DVD supporter be the ones buying those players?  Doesn't it stand to reason that HD DVD supporters already have a player?  Your 'guess' is quite illogical.  The most logical 'guess' is that the people sitting on the sidelines, waiting for one of the two formats to drop the price, will be the ones buying these players.

For some reason, a lot of HD DVD supporters defy logic in that respect.  Go to AVS, Highdefdigest.com, etc. and look at HD DVD supporters sig lines.  You will typically see 2 or 3 HD DVD players listed there.  Go figure.  If you look at a lot of Blu-ray supporters sig lines, you will typically just see 1 Blu-ray player (usually a PS3).  I dare you to do a little research and find out for yourself.

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Your average consumer will buy the item they believe is the best bargain.  At this moment, a $99 HD player feeds into that belief.  If they can get an HD player for the same price as a DVD player, well, why wouldn't they?  In the world of retail, perception is reality.  At this moment, at least for the average consumer, the perception is HD is the better value.

Garage sales have bargin basement prices as well.  To the average UNinformed customer (HD DVD's target), that probably looks like the regular price of a good upconverting DVD player.  They might just say, "meh" and keep on moving.  Plus, do you think HD DVD's target (the uninformed consumer) wants to pay about $30 for a new movie?  Please.  And, they probably won't rebuy their existing DVD collection on HD DVD, so they just end up with a upconverting DVD player. 

If those software sales don't cut into Blu-ray's lead by a good margin, it looks like Warner Bros. will go Blu-ray exclusive.  We all know what that would do.  Not to mention, Universal's contract is almost up.  That's probably why they are not addressing the extra missing titles from the press release (125 titles in the 4th quarter).

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This is supposed to mean what to me?  As I have told you, several times, I am waiting for a clear winner.  I am not investing my money in either format.  Everything you just said is HD propaganda and is no different than the Blu-ray propaganda you like to spout as fact.

You seemed to be ok with HD DVD propaganda before.  Why the sudden reversal?  You try to run with the HD DVD pack until the BS is exposed.  Then, you try to distance yourself from it.  That's funny. 

My "Blu-ray propaganda" can usually be backed up by science which makes it fact.  HD DVD propaganda on the other hand can rarely be backed up by science.  That's the difference.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranttwojayz
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I appreciate the "fact" that you consider every single HD owner to be "uninformed" or otherwise duped into it. I mean how much BD BS do you spout from that trap of yours that simply has no basis in fact? Yeah, plenty. Your arrogance is astonishing. I swear you blu-ballers must get some kind of training in stupidity when you buy a BD player. Is there a 10 step guide to idiocy included in the box? The vast majority of you smurfs all use the same approach to every one of your arguments. You are unified, that is apparent. You all say the same thing...That can't be a coincidence. Do you get txt messages with talking points directly from the BDA every morning?

If a product is truly superior then no, it's not good business to "dumb yourself down" to the competition. You end up looking as bad or worse. Yeah, that's a good position to put yourself in.

What "facts" have you EVER proclaimed here that are actually true? Higher bandiwdth capabilities. Higher storage capacity. Hmm..Wow, you're a genius. Wait, scratch that.
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For some reason, a lot of HD DVD supporters defy logic in that respect.  Go to AVS, Highdefdigest.com, etc. and look at HD DVD supporters sig lines.  You will typically see 2 or 3 HD DVD players listed there.  Go figure.  If you look at a lot of Blu-ray supporters sig lines, you will typically just see 1 Blu-ray player (usually a PS3).  I dare you to do a little research and find out for yourself.


I would hazard to speculate that the reason many HD-DVD users have more than one unit, is that they watch their movies in more than one place in their home. I have a friend who has 4 DirectTV boxes(3 of them HD units) because that way he can watch in his Living Room, Bedroom, Home Office, and  his girlfriend can watch while cooking in the Kitchen. With the lower Hardware cost of the HD-DVD units perhaps many people have done the same.
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You seemed to be ok with HD DVD propaganda before.  Why the sudden reversal?  You try to run with the HD DVD pack until the BS is exposed.  Then, you try to distance yourself from it.  That's funny.


That is because you are myopic and assume that anyone who dares to disagree with you must be an HD DVD supporter.  I have never tried to run with the HD DVD pack.  All I have ever done is expose your BS to the light of day.  Your attempt to imply otherwise will be seen for what it is.

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My "Blu-ray propaganda" can usually be backed up by science which makes it fact.  HD DVD propaganda on the other hand can rarely be backed up by science.  That's the difference.


Only in your small little mind. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Btw, you really needn't bother responding to Mark.  I believe he is one of the many members of this forum that have blocked your posts.


Thanks Unicus.


Now all I have to do is resist the urge to respond.  I know that would make bob very happy under that hood. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Warner Bros. has no plans to drop HD neutrality




By Henning Molbaek
FIRST ONLINE Nov 1, 2007

Speculation started when Warner Bros.' VP of HD Media, Dan Silverberg, hinted that the studio was evaluating its stand on being HD neutral in the format war. It led many to believe that the studio would choose sides.

However, WB spokesman Jim Noogan talked with Video Business Online yesterday and confirmed that they would stay neutral.

He said that the company always evaluated its business models and also did this with HD support, and that he believed the fourth quarter would be important for both sides. The result will be another piece of information on where things are going, but for now the studio will support both HD DVD and Blu-ray.

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Kmart chooses HD DVD (and maybe Blu-ray)

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/kmart-chooses-hd-dvd/4873

By Henning Molbaek
FIRST ONLINE Oct 31, 2007

LAST UPDATED Nov 2, 2007

UPDATED: Will also support Blu-ray.
Kmart issued a official statement to the notion that they had chosen HD DVD over Blu-ray. The statement indicates that they will support both formats:

There have been numerous statements in the media today, attributed to Toshiba, indicating exclusive support for the HD DVD format in Kmart stores. These statements are false. Kmart intends to support both the HD DVD and Blu-ray platforms, and has no plans to support either platform exclusively.

As we noted in the original statement the chain still carries the Blu-ray capable Playstation 3. If this is what they mean by both formats or if they will stock Blu-ray stand-alone players as well is uncertain.

Below is the original article:
Store chain Kmart drops Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD. The chain will only carry Toshiba HD DVD players from now on.

Kmart said the lower prices of HD DVD was the key factor in their decision to drop stand-alone Blu-ray players. The chain will, however, continue to carry the Blu-ray capable Playstation 3.
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Bill Sheppard -- Director Blu-ray Disc Association
Blu-ray vs. HD DVD

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalidain
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Well I took the plunge!!!  Obviously I have been sitting on the fence through this entire sickening format war simply because I am not what you call an early adopter, however, I am thrifty and I love a big SALE, so I went to Wal-Mart early Friday morning and purchased a Toshiba HD-A2 for under $100 (slightly more with taxes of course).

Amazingly enough, the very next day I stumbled upon some more HD-A2s sitting on a shelf in Circuit City and talked to a floor supervisor about price matching.  He was reluctant at first, but when I offered to buy 2 players at the $99 dollar price, he conceded and I picked up 2 great Christmas gifts!!!

As of typing this I have yet to hook up my HD-DVD player.  I am in the middle of a work stretch and will probably have time to configure it into my home theater on Tuesday.  Honestly, I don't see how anyone could go wrong with this player at such an incredible price.  And Mr. Bill Sheppard and anyone else who wants to quibble about discount pricing being a cheap marketing ploy is an idiot who truly needs to read up a bit on economics and supply and demand!!!
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Nice Calidain, which free discs you gonna pick?
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