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In the case of Live Free or Die Hard.... this was the word as to why... I'll leave it up to you to believe or dismiss.

Quoting: The Digital Bits (9/5/07)

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[...] So the studio was basically faced with the choice of delaying the title or releasing the theatrical cut only day and date with the DVD. So that's the reason it's PG-13 only.

I call Shenanigans!

Delay the release by a couple of weeks to get it done.  After all, the delay game is something that Fox is good at.

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Maybe you guys need to pick an impartial moderator (not me) to decide the topic of bickering?

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You are talking about updates for something other than Blu-ray and HD DVD.  Those updates are for gaming, media server, and web functionality.  You are in the wrong section for that.  Don't get hostile because I pointed out some of HD DVD's flaws (I know a lot more of those flaws but didn't mention them).  I did point out that neither side was ready to launch when they did.

Doesn't matter.  If you are going to argue that the PS3 is just as much of a Blu-ray player as it is a gaming console, the updates count the same way.

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One question...how many of those updates have been for BD playing functionality?  None that I can remember.  The only ones that should be for the BD playing capabilities should be the Profile 1.1 and/or 2.0 updates and finally DTS-HD MA update.

You are talking about updates for something other than Blu-ray and HD DVD.  Those updates are for gaming, media server, and web functionality.  You are in the wrong section for that.  Don't get hostile because I pointed out some of HD DVD's flaws (I know a lot more of those flaws but didn't mention them).  I did point out that neither side was ready to launch when they did.

Well according to the PS3 software update history out of the 8 updates list from 1.10 to 1.90-1.93 4 have had some sort of effect on BD playback.

Version 1.30-1.32
- You can now register the BD remote control in Register Bluetooth® Device under Accessory Settings.
- BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) has been added as an option under BD/DVD Settings.

Version 1.60
- Support for playback of BD-RE (Blu-ray Disc Rewritable) ver 3.0 has been added.

Version 1.80-1.82
- BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) has been added as an option under BD/DVD Settings.
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Version 1.90-1.93[/b]
- On has been added as an option in BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) under BD/DVD Settings.

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This comparison shows how far technology has gotten. Although the AMD Radeon HD 2600 offers the blurriest picture in this group, it’s important to keep in mind that the Radeon HD 2600 is already superior than the typical video processor found in most HDTVs on the market. Unfortunately, the Radeon has a fixed detail enhancement algorithm. With 51% sharpening (the half-way point), NVIDIA PureVideo provides a very good image. Even then, the PlayStation 3 seems to outperform NVIDIA’s upsampling quality by just a hair. This is a true testament to the power of the Cell architecture and how easy Sony has made it for the end user.

While we always value user-adjustable sharpening (as NVIDIA and HQV Processors allow), Sony’s default settings provide very good picture quality with no glaring artifacts.

For this particular scene, the PS3’s 1080p upsampling is actually a hair sharper than the HQV. In fact, you just need to look at the Kiera Knightley’s hair and eyelashes. The PS3’s output does produce a bit of aliasing (most easily seen in the strand of hair crossing in front of the eye) – the HQV provides a smoother image. The Realta’s detail enhancement that provides added local contrast giving a “punchier” overall image.  But you cannot make gold out of lead.

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The HD DVD version of "Happy Feet" got a five on audio and video; Blu-ray got 4.5 on audio, 5 on video. Again, I think it's kind of strange since HD DVD can't compare to BD especially in the audio quality category...You can see a lot more of these types of reviews at HighDef Digest...

This kind of goes back to my point that if there is no real performance advantage for BD then why would anyone pay the extra expense? It's clear that HD holds its own and has the capability to SURPASS BD. 

I fully expect that this holiday season will be huge for both HD DVD hardware and software alike. If that spike occurs I think HD will be given a rather large boost in momentum which will be hard for the BDA to stop. It makes me tingle actually. 

I was just wondering if you know that Blu-ray titles number a lot more than 1 title.  I posted a list of ALL the averaged scores on PQ and SQ from 5 of the top online reviewers (INCLUDING Highdefdigest.com).  Why are you choosing to ignore it?  It's spelled out right in front of you, but you pick a released that was handicapped by Warner Bros. as complete proof?

Here is the chart for you, AGAIN.  Go through it, go to the web sites, and do the math for yourself. 

[b]HDD 239HD/252BD, HTS 221HD/228BD, HTF 86HD/94BD, UD 148HD/130BD, Talk 281HD/282BD
09.05.07[/b]

HD DVD              PQ        SQ        TOTAL            Blu-ray                PQ        SQ        TOTAL

HighDef            3.90      3.62        3.76              HighDef              3.97      3.82        3.90
HTSpot            3.93      3.85        3.89                HTSpot              4.06      4.26        4.16
DVDTalk          3.64      3.49        3.56                DVDTalk            3.67      3.72        3.70
HTForum          3.92      3.68        3.80              HTForum            4.31      4.09        4.20
UpDisc              3.98      3.80        3.89              UpDisc                4.02      4.13        4.08   

Totals                3.84      3.67        3.75              Totals                3.95      3.96      3.95

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One question...how many of those updates have been for BD playing functionality?  None that I can remember.  The only ones that should be for the BD playing capabilities should be the Profile 1.1 and/or 2.0 updates and finally DTS-HD MA update.

You are talking about updates for something other than Blu-ray and HD DVD.  Those updates are for gaming, media server, and web functionality.  You are in the wrong section for that.  Don't get hostile because I pointed out some of HD DVD's flaws (I know a lot more of those flaws but didn't mention them).  I did point out that neither side was ready to launch when they did.

Well according to the PS3 software update history out of the 8 updates list from 1.10 to 1.90-1.93 4 have had some sort of effect on BD playback.

Version 1.30-1.32
- You can now register the BD remote control in Register Bluetooth® Device under Accessory Settings.
- BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) has been added as an option under BD/DVD Settings.

Version 1.60
- Support for playback of BD-RE (Blu-ray Disc Rewritable) ver 3.0 has been added.

Version 1.80-1.82
- BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) has been added as an option under BD/DVD Settings.
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Version 1.90-1.93[/b]
- On has been added as an option in BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) under BD/DVD Settings.

I stand corrected (good thing I said, "none that I can remember", huh).  The Blu-ray player side of the PS3 has ONLY had updates for INCREASING FUNCTIONALITY...NOT for fixing PROBLEMS.

Now, can that be said for ANY HD DVD player?

All updates for the machine count as well. 
New for 1.93: The stability of the network connection has been improved.
This is just as much for Blu-ray as gaming.

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The simple fact of the matter is that I can spend the next 3 weeks filling this board with proveable, scientific fact and unbiased opinion and you will knock it all down because you want so desperately to believe that you are right and BD is superior in all aspects.